Sem tempo para elaborar em detalhes todos os pontos levantados abaixo (parecido com um que o Alexandre Abdo enviou aqui para a lista, no que diz respeito a criar um capítulo que não é uma entidade legal), estou encaminhando qual foi a decisão do pessoal da Wikimedia sobre uma apresentação na Argentina. Se não abriram espaço para discutirmos isso lá, minha impressão é: ou criamos uma entidade legal ou não vamos ter capítulo brasileiro. Na minha opinião, a avaliação dos trabalhos e de quem recebe bolsa ser feita de uma forma um tanto sigilosa demais. Não acho errado enviar esse email para a lista, apesar de ter recebido privadamente. Acho que pode servir como bom ponto de partida para os rumos de um capítulo brasileiro. O que acham? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wikimania Program <wikimania-program(a)wikimedia.org> Date: 2009/6/13 Subject: Wikimania 2009: Editorial decision To: Everton Zanella Alvarenga <everton137(a)gmail.com> Cc: wikimania-program(a)wikimedia.org Everton Zanella Alvarenga: We regret to inform you that your submission "A local chapter that is not a legal entity" to Wikimania 2009 has been declined. The conference has received strong and broad interests, with more than 170 submission. Unfortunately, this means we are unable to accommodate all submissions. The comments at the bottom of this message were filled by the reviewers of your submission. Thank you for your interest in Wikimania 2009. Sincerely, Wikimania 2009 Program Committee wikimania-program(a)wikimedia.org ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer A: ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer B: ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer C: There are several points/questions which, in my opinion, should be elaborated: 1. In certain countries the incorporation as a non-profit organization (or any kind of incorporation) is a good (and legitimate) way to avoid personal legal threats. The incorporation creates an artificial entity which bears the responsibility for legal problems, rather than having each and every member of the group bear the responsibility individually. Why is Brazil be different in this sense? 2. Brazil is a federated country. Does the incorporation statutes and terms differ from one state to another? Is it better, for example, to be incorporated in RJ than in SP? Furthermore, has there been any suggestion to form sub-national chapters in Brazil? 3. The problem of misusing the NGO/NPO system is known from other countries too. Nevertheless, certain NGOs/NPOs are known to be trusted. Has the situation in Brazil deteriorated to the extent that the very title "NGO" harms the group's reputation? 4. You say you had some connection with governmental bodies. Didn't they expect you to be officially incorporated before cooperating with them? 5. Last but not least - please elaborate about the relations between the pt-wp and Mutirões/WikiBrasil. Are most pt-Wikipedians come from Brazil or is there an equal number of non-Brazilian Lusophones? Are pt-Wikipedians come from specific places in Brazil or from all across the country? Are all initiators of WikiBrasil pt-Wikipedians, or are there non-Wikipedians with experience in like-minded organiziations as well? ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer D: This is a tricky presentation... afaik, Wikimedia Brasil is not a chapter anymore because the new bylaws (about it not being legally registered) have not been approved and probably will not be. I'm not sure that a presentation with this focus would be a good idea. However, this presentation *could* be changed to describe how a group of people in Brasil are performing outreach projects *like* a chapter under the name WikiBrasil. I don't think it would be a good idea to open up the "A local chapter that is not a legal entity" can of worms. ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer E: ------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________________________________________ Wikimania Wikimania 2009 http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org -- http://blogdotom.wordpress.com/sobre _______________________________________________ WikimediaBR-l mailing list WikimediaBR-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediabr-l

Sem tempo para elaborar em detalhes todos os pontos levantados abaixo (parecido com um que o Alexandre Abdo enviou aqui para a lista, no que diz respeito a criar um capítulo que não é uma entidade legal), estou encaminhando qual foi a decisão do pessoal da Wikimedia sobre uma apresentação na Argentina. Se não abriram espaço para discutirmos isso lá, minha impressão é: ou criamos uma entidade legal ou não vamos ter capítulo brasileiro. Na minha opinião, a avaliação dos trabalhos e de quem recebe bolsa ser feita de uma forma um tanto sigilosa demais. Não acho errado enviar esse email para a lista, apesar de ter recebido privadamente. Acho que pode servir como bom ponto de partida para os rumos de um capítulo brasileiro. O que acham? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Wikimania Program <wikimania-program(a)wikimedia.org> Date: 2009/6/13 Subject: Wikimania 2009: Editorial decision To: Everton Zanella Alvarenga <everton137(a)gmail.com> Cc: wikimania-program(a)wikimedia.org Everton Zanella Alvarenga: We regret to inform you that your submission "A local chapter that is not a legal entity" to Wikimania 2009 has been declined. The conference has received strong and broad interests, with more than 170 submission. Unfortunately, this means we are unable to accommodate all submissions. The comments at the bottom of this message were filled by the reviewers of your submission. Thank you for your interest in Wikimania 2009. Sincerely, Wikimania 2009 Program Committee wikimania-program(a)wikimedia.org ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer A: ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer B: ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer C: There are several points/questions which, in my opinion, should be elaborated: 1. In certain countries the incorporation as a non-profit organization (or any kind of incorporation) is a good (and legitimate) way to avoid personal legal threats. The incorporation creates an artificial entity which bears the responsibility for legal problems, rather than having each and every member of the group bear the responsibility individually. Why is Brazil be different in this sense? 2. Brazil is a federated country. Does the incorporation statutes and terms differ from one state to another? Is it better, for example, to be incorporated in RJ than in SP? Furthermore, has there been any suggestion to form sub-national chapters in Brazil? 3. The problem of misusing the NGO/NPO system is known from other countries too. Nevertheless, certain NGOs/NPOs are known to be trusted. Has the situation in Brazil deteriorated to the extent that the very title "NGO" harms the group's reputation? 4. You say you had some connection with governmental bodies. Didn't they expect you to be officially incorporated before cooperating with them? 5. Last but not least - please elaborate about the relations between the pt-wp and Mutirões/WikiBrasil. Are most pt-Wikipedians come from Brazil or is there an equal number of non-Brazilian Lusophones? Are pt-Wikipedians come from specific places in Brazil or from all across the country? Are all initiators of WikiBrasil pt-Wikipedians, or are there non-Wikipedians with experience in like-minded organiziations as well? ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer D: This is a tricky presentation... afaik, Wikimedia Brasil is not a chapter anymore because the new bylaws (about it not being legally registered) have not been approved and probably will not be. I'm not sure that a presentation with this focus would be a good idea. However, this presentation *could* be changed to describe how a group of people in Brasil are performing outreach projects *like* a chapter under the name WikiBrasil. I don't think it would be a good idea to open up the "A local chapter that is not a legal entity" can of worms. ------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------ Reviewer E: ------------------------------------------------------ ________________________________________________________________________ Wikimania Wikimania 2009 http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org