Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on:
Where do our readers come from?
http://tinyurl.com/yhdej3j http://tinyurl.com/yhdej3j
Cheers, Erik Zachte
Hi Erik,
thank you. Very nice. One suggestion: for trends, i would expect a bar indicating upward or downward trend, not a percentage bar.
live long and prosper teun
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.comwrote:
Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on:
Where do our readers come from?
http://tinyurl.com/yhdej3j http://tinyurl.com/yhdej3j
Cheers, Erik Zachte
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Erik Zachte wrote:
Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on:
Where do our readers come from?
Excellent and extremely useful! A big thank you! :)
A few questions:
Could we get this for other projects?
At Wikipedia Page Views Per Country - Overview, could you in future include number of Internet users (f.e. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users ) and number of views per Internet user? IMO, this is more useful than population and could identify countries where Wikipedia should be "advertised".
At pages Wikipedia Page Views By Country - Breakdown and Wikipedia Page Views By Country - Trends, could you include more languages (ideally all languages)? Perhaps by making a separate page for every country? For example, I'd like to know data for all minority languages of Serbia.
It would also be interesting to somehow show this data together with size of the Wikipedia and number of language speakers per country but I don't see how exactly (and I don't know how to find the number of language speakers).
Perhaps I will do some of this manually, but just this time! :)
Ethnologue has numbers for all languages although their information is often outdated or not 100% accurate, it is sufficient if you're doing a list with many languages.
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 1:24 AM, Nikola Smolenski smolensk@eunet.rs wrote:
Erik Zachte wrote:
Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on:
Where do our readers come from?
Excellent and extremely useful! A big thank you! :)
A few questions:
Could we get this for other projects?
At Wikipedia Page Views Per Country - Overview, could you in future include number of Internet users (f.e. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users ) and number of views per Internet user? IMO, this is more useful than population and could identify countries where Wikipedia should be "advertised".
At pages Wikipedia Page Views By Country - Breakdown and Wikipedia Page Views By Country - Trends, could you include more languages (ideally all languages)? Perhaps by making a separate page for every country? For example, I'd like to know data for all minority languages of Serbia.
It would also be interesting to somehow show this data together with size of the Wikipedia and number of language speakers per country but I don't see how exactly (and I don't know how to find the number of language speakers).
Perhaps I will do some of this manually, but just this time! :)
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Дана Thursday 14 January 2010 09:24:16 Nikola Smolenski написа:
At Wikipedia Page Views Per Country - Overview, could you in future include number of Internet users (f.e. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_number_of_Internet_users ) and number of views per Internet user? IMO, this is more useful than population and could identify countries where Wikipedia should be "advertised".
Did it: http://smolenski.rs/blog/2010/01/wikipedia-page-views-per-country-with-inter...
Erik Zachte wrote:
Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on:
Where do our readers come from?
Except for Australia-Japanese, there is also this:
Sierra Leone (0.0007% share of global total) Russian Wp 44.9% English Wp 43.7% Portal 8.4% Slovene Wp 1.1% Other 1.9%
Why would Russian Wikipedia have so many visits from Sierra Leone?
As a sidenote, there is also this:
Suriname (0.003% share of global total) English Wp 62.5% Dutch Wp 28.2% Portal 4.1% Serbian Wp 1.5% Afrikaans Wp 1.4% Other 2.3%
It is obvious why is Slovene Wikipedia highly visited in Sierra Leone, and Serbian in Suriname; URLs do matter :)
(Although, I don't understand why so much. I would expect this distribution by visitors, perhaps, but not by visits.)
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com wrote:
Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on:
Where do our readers come from?
Going through the countries, another remarkable result in my opinion is the Ukraine - Ukrainian is not a small language by any means, yet Wikipedia visitors tend to be drawn to the Russian Wikipedia instead.
Also, the Q3-Q4 comparison for most countries shows a shift from English to the 'vernacular'. Do you have data on this from a longer period of time? That is, is this part of an ongoing shift, or is it a seasonal effect (perhaps having to do with Q3 containing the school holidays in most countries?
To quantify this, I have taken the 50 largest countries, excluding languages where English is the main language (United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, India, Philippines, Singapore, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa). For all countries I have compared the percentage going to the main language Wikipedia and those going to the English Wikipedia (in the Ukrainian case: the Russian Wikipedia), and also the 'swing' (in the way the term is used in UK politics, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_%28United_Kingdom%29) from English to the local language (or in the reverse direction, if it is negative). For countries such as Spain and Belgium which have more than one local language, the similar data with all local languages are also given.
Japan: Japanese 92.2% over English (swing -0.4%) Germany: German 72.2% over English (swing 1.5%) France: French 67.5% over English (swing 4.1%) Poland: Polish 71.5% over English (swing 4.0%) Italy: Italian 71.5% over English (swing 4.7%) Mexico: Spanish 71.5% over English (swing 3.4%) Brazil: Portuguese 67.7% over English (swing 1.1%) Spain: Spanish 60.3% over English (swing 7.0%) - vernaculars 64.4% over English (swing 8.6%) Netherlands: Dutch 10.4% over English (swing 6.6%) Russia: Russian 70.2% over English (swing 4.9%) Sweden: Swedish 13.8% over English (swing 8.1%) Switzerland: German 36.6% over English (swing 2.1%) - vernaculars 55.0% over English (swing 2.7%) Austria: German 65.1% over English (swing -1.1%) Finland: Finnish 24.7% over English (swing 2.2%) - vernaculars 26.8% over English (swing 2.8%) China: Chinese 4.8% over English (swing -7.3%) Turkey: Turkish 48.7% over English (swing 11.7%) Belgium: Dutch 9.5% over English (swing 9.2%) - vernaculars 40.1% over English (swing 9.6%) Argentina: Spanish 66.2% over English (swing 1.2%) Norway: Norwegian (Bokmal) 0.9% UNDER English (swing 14.4%) - vernaculars 0.1% over English (swing 14.5%) Colombia: Spanish 56.3% over English (swing -3.8%) Czech Republic: Czech 44.3% over English (swing 10.2%) Hong Kong: Chinese equal to English (swing 1.0%) - vernaculars 1.4% over English (swing 1.2%) Taiwan: Chinese 45.5% over English (swing 3.7%) - vernaculars 45.7% over English (swing 3.7%) Chile: Spanish 60.6% over English (swing -2.0%) Israel: Hebrew 10.9% over English (swing 3.9%) - vernaculars 12.8% over English (swing 3.9%) Indonesia: Indonesian 10.2% over English (swing 8.5%) - vernaculars 11.3% over English (swing 8.4%) Portugal: Portuguese 11.9% over English (swing 2.2%) South Korea: Korean 2.7% over English (swing 12.8%) Malaysia: Malay 74.5% UNDER English (swing -1.0%) Peru: Spanish 74.5% over English (swing 2.1%) Venezuela: Spanish 77.5% over English (swing 11.1%) Ukraine: Ukrainian 56.6% UNDER RUSSIAN (swing 4.4%) Romania: Romanian 21.7% UNDER English (swing 12.6%) - vernaculars 18.5% UNDER English (swing 13.4%) Thailand: Thai 18.9% over English (swing -3.5%) Denmark: Danish 12.3% UNDER English (swing 10.7%) Hungary: Hungarian 23.8% over English (swing 6.1%) Uruguay: Spanish 72.4% over English (swing 1.1%) Vietnam: Vietnamese 31.0% over English (swing 8.8%) Greece: Greek 42.1% UNDER English (swing 9.0%) Bulgaria: Bulgarian 1.4% over English (swing 8.9%) United Arab Emirates: Arabic 66.8% UNDER English (swing 5.4%) Egypt: Arabic 18.5% UNDER English (swing 11.3%) Lithuania: Lithuanian 9.3% UNDER English (swing -6.4%) - vernaculars 9.3% under English (swing -6.6%) Iran: Persian 0.6% UNDER English (swing 0.5%)
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:40 AM, Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
To quantify this, I have taken the 50 largest countries, excluding languages where English is the main language (United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, India, Philippines, Singapore, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa). For all countries I have compared the percentage going to the main language Wikipedia and those going to the English Wikipedia (in the Ukrainian case: the Russian Wikipedia), and also the 'swing' (in the way the term is used in UK politics, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_%28United_Kingdom%29) from English to the local language (or in the reverse direction, if it is negative). For countries such as Spain and Belgium which have more than one local language, the similar data with all local languages are also given.
I guess there are also a lot of cases similar to the Australia/Japanese one of IPs wrongly attributed to one country. For example, I remember that at least a few years ago (I'm not sure now) a lot of Italian customers of Tele2 had an IP that was Swedish. Maybe this is not a big effect given that the Sweden/Swedish relationship does not differ that much from the other Scandinavian countries. Cruccone
Hmmmm what saddens me is that such a low percentage use the Thai wikipedia in Thailand instead of the English one.
Having lived in Thailand for over 10 years now my estimation is that only 10% of the populous would speak English good enough to be able to read English wikipedia articles at least partially. And this is the part of the population with the best education. This would mean that unfortunately Wikipedia doesn't reach the part of the population it is meant for. The part whom have less access to education.
Waerth/Walter
I think there are two main factors influencing this:
# Fluency of the Internet-using population of a country in English. In a country like Japan, basic English is widespread but real reading comprehension on the level necessary for reading WP articles is not (as far as I know at least). Scandinavians, on the other hand, fall at the other end of the spectrum - according to Wikipedia, 89% of Swedes have a "working knowledge" of English.
# Quality of the native Wikipedia - if I can speak some English, would it be worth it to me to look for articles in English instead of my native language due to greater quality or completeness of the English Wikipedia? If I'm German, I have much less motivation to read articles in English than if my native language is Burmese. Of course, this is in purely relative terms - people in Arab countries preferring English to Arabic for Wikipedia does not mean that the Arabic Wikipedia is of poor quality, it just means that users feel that the English Wikipedia is a more reliable or complete resource in some way.
Mark
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com wrote:
Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on:
Where do our readers come from?
Going through the countries, another remarkable result in my opinion is the Ukraine - Ukrainian is not a small language by any means, yet Wikipedia visitors tend to be drawn to the Russian Wikipedia instead.
Also, the Q3-Q4 comparison for most countries shows a shift from English to the 'vernacular'. Do you have data on this from a longer period of time? That is, is this part of an ongoing shift, or is it a seasonal effect (perhaps having to do with Q3 containing the school holidays in most countries?
To quantify this, I have taken the 50 largest countries, excluding languages where English is the main language (United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, India, Philippines, Singapore, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa). For all countries I have compared the percentage going to the main language Wikipedia and those going to the English Wikipedia (in the Ukrainian case: the Russian Wikipedia), and also the 'swing' (in the way the term is used in UK politics, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_%28United_Kingdom%29) from English to the local language (or in the reverse direction, if it is negative). For countries such as Spain and Belgium which have more than one local language, the similar data with all local languages are also given.
Japan: Japanese 92.2% over English (swing -0.4%) Germany: German 72.2% over English (swing 1.5%) France: French 67.5% over English (swing 4.1%) Poland: Polish 71.5% over English (swing 4.0%) Italy: Italian 71.5% over English (swing 4.7%) Mexico: Spanish 71.5% over English (swing 3.4%) Brazil: Portuguese 67.7% over English (swing 1.1%) Spain: Spanish 60.3% over English (swing 7.0%) - vernaculars 64.4% over English (swing 8.6%) Netherlands: Dutch 10.4% over English (swing 6.6%) Russia: Russian 70.2% over English (swing 4.9%) Sweden: Swedish 13.8% over English (swing 8.1%) Switzerland: German 36.6% over English (swing 2.1%) - vernaculars 55.0% over English (swing 2.7%) Austria: German 65.1% over English (swing -1.1%) Finland: Finnish 24.7% over English (swing 2.2%) - vernaculars 26.8% over English (swing 2.8%) China: Chinese 4.8% over English (swing -7.3%) Turkey: Turkish 48.7% over English (swing 11.7%) Belgium: Dutch 9.5% over English (swing 9.2%) - vernaculars 40.1% over English (swing 9.6%) Argentina: Spanish 66.2% over English (swing 1.2%) Norway: Norwegian (Bokmal) 0.9% UNDER English (swing 14.4%) - vernaculars 0.1% over English (swing 14.5%) Colombia: Spanish 56.3% over English (swing -3.8%) Czech Republic: Czech 44.3% over English (swing 10.2%) Hong Kong: Chinese equal to English (swing 1.0%) - vernaculars 1.4% over English (swing 1.2%) Taiwan: Chinese 45.5% over English (swing 3.7%) - vernaculars 45.7% over English (swing 3.7%) Chile: Spanish 60.6% over English (swing -2.0%) Israel: Hebrew 10.9% over English (swing 3.9%) - vernaculars 12.8% over English (swing 3.9%) Indonesia: Indonesian 10.2% over English (swing 8.5%) - vernaculars 11.3% over English (swing 8.4%) Portugal: Portuguese 11.9% over English (swing 2.2%) South Korea: Korean 2.7% over English (swing 12.8%) Malaysia: Malay 74.5% UNDER English (swing -1.0%) Peru: Spanish 74.5% over English (swing 2.1%) Venezuela: Spanish 77.5% over English (swing 11.1%) Ukraine: Ukrainian 56.6% UNDER RUSSIAN (swing 4.4%) Romania: Romanian 21.7% UNDER English (swing 12.6%) - vernaculars 18.5% UNDER English (swing 13.4%) Thailand: Thai 18.9% over English (swing -3.5%) Denmark: Danish 12.3% UNDER English (swing 10.7%) Hungary: Hungarian 23.8% over English (swing 6.1%) Uruguay: Spanish 72.4% over English (swing 1.1%) Vietnam: Vietnamese 31.0% over English (swing 8.8%) Greece: Greek 42.1% UNDER English (swing 9.0%) Bulgaria: Bulgarian 1.4% over English (swing 8.9%) United Arab Emirates: Arabic 66.8% UNDER English (swing 5.4%) Egypt: Arabic 18.5% UNDER English (swing 11.3%) Lithuania: Lithuanian 9.3% UNDER English (swing -6.4%) - vernaculars 9.3% under English (swing -6.6%) Iran: Persian 0.6% UNDER English (swing 0.5%)
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Hello, Thank you for the numbers, Erik! I wonder why 40 % of the visitors of ksh.WP (the dialect of Cologne) are from Japan. And why 25 % of the visitors of eu.WP (Basque) are from Poland? Kind regards Ziko
2010/1/14 Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com
I think there are two main factors influencing this:
# Fluency of the Internet-using population of a country in English. In a country like Japan, basic English is widespread but real reading comprehension on the level necessary for reading WP articles is not (as far as I know at least). Scandinavians, on the other hand, fall at the other end of the spectrum - according to Wikipedia, 89% of Swedes have a "working knowledge" of English.
# Quality of the native Wikipedia - if I can speak some English, would it be worth it to me to look for articles in English instead of my native language due to greater quality or completeness of the English Wikipedia? If I'm German, I have much less motivation to read articles in English than if my native language is Burmese. Of course, this is in purely relative terms - people in Arab countries preferring English to Arabic for Wikipedia does not mean that the Arabic Wikipedia is of poor quality, it just means that users feel that the English Wikipedia is a more reliable or complete resource in some way.
Mark
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:40 AM, Andre Engels andreengels@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com wrote:
Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on:
Where do our readers come from?
Going through the countries, another remarkable result in my opinion is the Ukraine - Ukrainian is not a small language by any means, yet Wikipedia visitors tend to be drawn to the Russian Wikipedia instead.
Also, the Q3-Q4 comparison for most countries shows a shift from English to the 'vernacular'. Do you have data on this from a longer period of time? That is, is this part of an ongoing shift, or is it a seasonal effect (perhaps having to do with Q3 containing the school holidays in most countries?
To quantify this, I have taken the 50 largest countries, excluding languages where English is the main language (United States, United Kingdom, Canada, Australia, India, Philippines, Singapore, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa). For all countries I have compared the percentage going to the main language Wikipedia and those going to the English Wikipedia (in the Ukrainian case: the Russian Wikipedia), and also the 'swing' (in the way the term is used in UK politics, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_%28United_Kingdom%29) from English to the local language (or in the reverse direction, if it is negative). For countries such as Spain and Belgium which have more than one local language, the similar data with all local languages are also given.
Japan: Japanese 92.2% over English (swing -0.4%) Germany: German 72.2% over English (swing 1.5%) France: French 67.5% over English (swing 4.1%) Poland: Polish 71.5% over English (swing 4.0%) Italy: Italian 71.5% over English (swing 4.7%) Mexico: Spanish 71.5% over English (swing 3.4%) Brazil: Portuguese 67.7% over English (swing 1.1%) Spain: Spanish 60.3% over English (swing 7.0%) - vernaculars 64.4% over English (swing 8.6%) Netherlands: Dutch 10.4% over English (swing 6.6%) Russia: Russian 70.2% over English (swing 4.9%) Sweden: Swedish 13.8% over English (swing 8.1%) Switzerland: German 36.6% over English (swing 2.1%) - vernaculars 55.0% over English (swing 2.7%) Austria: German 65.1% over English (swing -1.1%) Finland: Finnish 24.7% over English (swing 2.2%) - vernaculars 26.8% over English (swing 2.8%) China: Chinese 4.8% over English (swing -7.3%) Turkey: Turkish 48.7% over English (swing 11.7%) Belgium: Dutch 9.5% over English (swing 9.2%) - vernaculars 40.1% over English (swing 9.6%) Argentina: Spanish 66.2% over English (swing 1.2%) Norway: Norwegian (Bokmal) 0.9% UNDER English (swing 14.4%) - vernaculars 0.1% over English (swing 14.5%) Colombia: Spanish 56.3% over English (swing -3.8%) Czech Republic: Czech 44.3% over English (swing 10.2%) Hong Kong: Chinese equal to English (swing 1.0%) - vernaculars 1.4% over English (swing 1.2%) Taiwan: Chinese 45.5% over English (swing 3.7%) - vernaculars 45.7% over English (swing 3.7%) Chile: Spanish 60.6% over English (swing -2.0%) Israel: Hebrew 10.9% over English (swing 3.9%) - vernaculars 12.8% over English (swing 3.9%) Indonesia: Indonesian 10.2% over English (swing 8.5%) - vernaculars 11.3% over English (swing 8.4%) Portugal: Portuguese 11.9% over English (swing 2.2%) South Korea: Korean 2.7% over English (swing 12.8%) Malaysia: Malay 74.5% UNDER English (swing -1.0%) Peru: Spanish 74.5% over English (swing 2.1%) Venezuela: Spanish 77.5% over English (swing 11.1%) Ukraine: Ukrainian 56.6% UNDER RUSSIAN (swing 4.4%) Romania: Romanian 21.7% UNDER English (swing 12.6%) - vernaculars 18.5% UNDER English (swing 13.4%) Thailand: Thai 18.9% over English (swing -3.5%) Denmark: Danish 12.3% UNDER English (swing 10.7%) Hungary: Hungarian 23.8% over English (swing 6.1%) Uruguay: Spanish 72.4% over English (swing 1.1%) Vietnam: Vietnamese 31.0% over English (swing 8.8%) Greece: Greek 42.1% UNDER English (swing 9.0%) Bulgaria: Bulgarian 1.4% over English (swing 8.9%) United Arab Emirates: Arabic 66.8% UNDER English (swing 5.4%) Egypt: Arabic 18.5% UNDER English (swing 11.3%) Lithuania: Lithuanian 9.3% UNDER English (swing -6.4%) - vernaculars 9.3% under English (swing -6.6%) Iran: Persian 0.6% UNDER English (swing 0.5%)
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On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Nikola Smolenski smolensk@eunet.rs wrote:
Ziko van Dijk wrote:
Thank you for the numbers, Erik! I wonder why 40 % of the visitors of ksh.WP (the dialect of Cologne) are from Japan. And why 25 % of the visitors of eu.WP (Basque) are from Poland?
Bots?
I think that's a likely explanation in the eu case (unless Erik is using an algorithm that filters out bots) - I see Poles come up high in more unexpected small languages (Telugu, Welsh, Alemannic, Frisian, Cebuan, Norman, Crimean Tartar) - although Basque seems to be the biggest of the lot.
Andre Engels wrote:
Going through the countries, another remarkable result in my opinion is the Ukraine - Ukrainian is not a small language by any means, yet Wikipedia visitors tend to be drawn to the Russian Wikipedia instead.
Also, the Q3-Q4 comparison for most countries shows a shift from English to the 'vernacular'. Do you have data on this from a longer period of time? That is, is this part of an ongoing shift, or is it a seasonal effect (perhaps having to do with Q3 containing the school holidays in most countries?
In Page Views Per Wikipedia Language - Breakdown I also notice something that should affect chapter relations: there are some Wikipedias which are read from foreign countries more than from the country of origin (probably b/c readers from diaspora is richer and has better Internet access).
For example, Macedonian Wikipedia is read more from Slovenia or Germany than from Macedonia:
Macedonian (mk) (0.02% share of global total) Slovenia 30.6% Germany 23.7% Macedonia 23.3%
It would therefore make sense for WMDE to try to reach Macedonians living in Germany, and for future WMMK to help them in doing so.
Nikola Smolenski wrote:
In Page Views Per Wikipedia Language - Breakdown I also notice something that should affect chapter relations: there are some Wikipedias which
Also, any ideas why is Commons so popular in Spain and Latin America?
Commons (commons) (0.010% share of global total) Spain 30.0% United States 29.2% Brazil 8.5% Argentina 4.8% Mexico 3.9%
2010/1/14 Nikola Smolenski smolensk@eunet.rs:
Nikola Smolenski wrote:
In Page Views Per Wikipedia Language - Breakdown I also notice something that should affect chapter relations: there are some Wikipedias which
Also, any ideas why is Commons so popular in Spain and Latin America?
Some Wikipedias - the ones which insist on only-free-images - do not use local uploads at all, and instead direct everyone to Commons. Both es.wikipedia and pt.wikipedia work this way, so they'll send a lot more of their users to Commons than a project which uses local image uploads.
As a result, I suspect you'll find that traffic to Commons increases proportionately with traffic to Spanish/Portuguese Wikipedia usage.
Nikola Smolenski hett schreven:
In Page Views Per Wikipedia Language - Breakdown I also notice something that should affect chapter relations: there are some Wikipedias which are read from foreign countries more than from the country of origin (probably b/c readers from diaspora is richer and has better Internet access).
For example, Macedonian Wikipedia is read more from Slovenia or Germany than from Macedonia:
Macedonian (mk) (0.02% share of global total) Slovenia 30.6% Germany 23.7% Macedonia 23.3%
It would therefore make sense for WMDE to try to reach Macedonians living in Germany, and for future WMMK to help them in doing so.
It would make sense. But at the moment WMDE is not even actively doing anything for the _native_ languages of Germany except for German. I think that would be the first step to do.
Marcus Buck
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 3:51 PM, Marcus Buck me@marcusbuck.org wrote:
It would make sense. But at the moment WMDE is not even actively doing anything for the _native_ languages of Germany except for German. I think that would be the first step to do.
I had a quick look at the native languages of Italy, and I found out that the percentage of visits from Italy is much smaller for the regional languages: Italian: 90.4% Neapolitan: 45.8% Tarantino: 43.2% Emiliano-Romagnolo: 34.5% Venetian: 33.9% Lombard: 29.5% Sicilian: 27.6% Sardinian: 26.4% Piedmontese: 24.8% Friulian: 17.8% Ligurian: 17.6%
I see a couple of reasons for this difference: 1) Bot visits count proportionally much more in smaller wikis 2) We know that, at least in some of these projects, a lot of contributors are migrants (even 2nd or 3rd generation) that try to maintain the regional languages their parents/grandparents used (Italy had a lot of emigration in the 20th century), so it shouldn't be hard to imagine that the same happens for the readers. This also partly explains why Wikimedia Italia has little penetration within this projects.
It would be interesting to see if the same happens for other countries, for example Germany Cruccone
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Erik Zachte erikzachte@infodisiac.com wrote:
Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on:
Where do our readers come from?
http://tinyurl.com/yhdej3j http://tinyurl.com/yhdej3j
Cheers, Erik Zachte
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Erik, may you put somewhere full statistics? Some of the numbers are going below 0.1% of population, but some of them are not mentioned even they are larger than 0.5% of population.
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