The answer is we have real idea how gay friendly the projects are, but LGBT Wikimedians have been doing a lot more outreach recently and we think this is great evidence for our increasing diversity.
From a few chats over tea at the GLAMwiki conference last weekend, I
realised that most folks with an interest in LGBT matters were either unaware that anything had changed in the last year, or just had not got around to finding out where to go for more information (apart from asking me). So, here are 4 new global resources created in the last 12 months for you to investigate, share with friends or bookmark for later:
* http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_LGBT If you are interested in discussing and helping with LGBT related open knowledge content, projects, partnerships, issues or events then you can find out more about what's going on and contribute new proposals here.
* https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:LGBT_Free_Media_Collective This is a Commons wikiproject to encourage more LGBT friendly photos and other media for use on all projects. So if you have an archive of photos from LGBT events, or are part of an organization with educational media to release, this might be a good place to find out how to share them with the world.
* https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/lgbt This is a managed email list for any LGBT interested Wikimedians to safely bounce around new ideas, raise questions, discuss ways of increasing LGBT participation in Wikimedia projects and general coordination. It is low volume, with around 3 threads a month at the moment. Drop an email to one of the list admins if you want to know more about how it is managed before joining up.
* irc://irc.wikimedia.org/wikimedia-lgbt Our friendly open IRC channel. Good for chat about LGBT projects and recent news, though you may need a lot of patience and wait a few hours for replies - others logged in might be asleep, the other side of the planet, or working and will not see your message until home time. But it's not a dating line, other sites are available for that :-)
Cheers, Fae -- faewik@gmail.com http://j.mp/faewm Guide to email tags: http://j.mp/mfae
On Monday, 15 April 2013 at 08:31, Fae wrote:
The answer is we have real idea how gay friendly the projects are, but LGBT Wikimedians have been doing a lot more outreach recently and we think this is great evidence for our increasing diversity.
From a few chats over tea at the GLAMwiki conference last weekend, I realised that most folks with an interest in LGBT matters were either unaware that anything had changed in the last year, or just had not got around to finding out where to go for more information (apart from asking me). So, here are 4 new global resources created in the last 12 months for you to investigate, share with friends or bookmark for later:
Thanks for posting this, Fæ.
I'm hoping that the mailing list can be used for a variety of purposes, both as a safe space for discussing how to handle issues faced by LGBT Wikimedians, and for discussion of what people are working on, developing LGBT content on Wikimedia and so on. It'd be great if list members could post stubs they've been working on at Wikipedia, Wikinews articles, collections of photos they've uploaded to Commons and so on.
As for IRC, while it may not be a dating service, there is occasional campy, flirty silliness. :-)
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
Interesting Topic. The Wikivoyage association’s chairman is gay as well. So he will have an eye on the diversity on WV. He (me) started the travel Topic “gaytravel” and created a small article about gay travel in Cambodia already (http://de.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Thema:Schwul-Lesbisches_Reisen_in_Kambodscha). I hope more information will find their way into our articles soon. Besides we tag bars ans Hotels as gayfriendly on de:
New ideas are always welcome.
Thanks for the links
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On Monday, 15 April 2013 at 08:31, Fae wrote:
The answer is we have real idea how gay friendly the projects are, but LGBT Wikimedians have been doing a lot more outreach recently and we think this is great evidence for our increasing diversity.
From a few chats over tea at the GLAMwiki conference last weekend, I realised that most folks with an interest in LGBT matters were either unaware that anything had changed in the last year, or just had not got around to finding out where to go for more information (apart from asking me). So, here are 4 new global resources created in the last 12 months for you to investigate, share with friends or bookmark for later:
Thanks for posting this, Fæ.
I'm hoping that the mailing list can be used for a variety of purposes, both as a safe space for discussing how to handle issues faced by LGBT Wikimedians, and for discussion of what people are working on, developing LGBT content on Wikimedia and so on. It'd be great if list members could post stubs they've been working on at Wikipedia, Wikinews articles, collections of photos they've uploaded to Commons and so on.
As for IRC, while it may not be a dating service, there is occasional campy, flirty silliness. :-)
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
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Le 2013-04-15 16:45, derfussi@gmail.com a écrit :
Interesting Topic. The Wikivoyage association’s chairman is gay as well. So he will have an eye on the diversity on WV. He (me) started the travel Topic “gaytravel” and created a small article about gay travel in Cambodia already
(http://de.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Thema:Schwul-Lesbisches_Reisen_in_Kambodscha). I hope more information will find their way into our articles soon. Besides we tag bars ans Hotels as gayfriendly on de:
Hi,
I would find it interesting to have feedback on neutrality problems that kind of topics may rise in our projects. I wish everybody would have a mind focus on human "fulfillment/development"[1] (for which I think sexual orientation self-determination is a requirement), but I suppose that our project also attract more homophobic minds and so on.
On the other hand, I wonder how much the most active part of our community may be more "open minded", and enclined to be less neutral on topics where "populists propaganda" that a majority of "uneducated" people may easily adopt as mind-set, if you see what I mean.
[1] In french I would say "épanouissement", but I can't say if there's a one-one semantic equivalent word in English, all the more I may attach non-widely shared semantic to this French word in the first place :P
New ideas are always welcome.
Thanks for the links
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On Monday, 15 April 2013 at 08:31, Fae wrote:
The answer is we have real idea how gay friendly the projects are, but LGBT Wikimedians have been doing a lot more outreach recently and we think this is great evidence for our increasing diversity.
From a few chats over tea at the GLAMwiki conference last weekend, I realised that most folks with an interest in LGBT matters were either unaware that anything had changed in the last year, or just had not got around to finding out where to go for more information (apart from asking me). So, here are 4 new global resources created in the last 12 months for you to investigate, share with friends or bookmark for later:
Thanks for posting this, Fæ.
I'm hoping that the mailing list can be used for a variety of purposes, both as a safe space for discussing how to handle issues faced by LGBT Wikimedians, and for discussion of what people are working on, developing LGBT content on Wikimedia and so on. It'd be great if list members could post stubs they've been working on at Wikipedia, Wikinews articles, collections of photos they've uploaded to Commons and so on.
As for IRC, while it may not be a dating service, there is occasional campy, flirty silliness. :-)
-- Tom Morris http://tommorris.org/
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On 04/16/2013 04:48 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
but I suppose that our project also attract more homophobic minds and so on.
That has not been my experience. I think much of the perception of "liberal bias" is actually caused by the generally widespread acceptance of the average anglophone Wiki[mp]edian towards diversity; at least comparatively to the societies they primarily represent.
My hypothesis is that -- pretty much be definition -- a group of people rallying together under the banner of Open Knowledge has a strong natural aversion to the kind of obscurantism and information control that is necessary for prejudice and discrimination. While there may be individuals that have problems, the group's natural flow will work against it.
-- Marc
Le 2013-04-16 16:58, Marc A. Pelletier a écrit :
On 04/16/2013 04:48 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
but I suppose that our project also attract more homophobic minds and so on.
That has not been my experience. I think much of the perception of "liberal bias" is actually caused by the generally widespread acceptance of the average anglophone Wiki[mp]edian towards diversity; at least comparatively to the societies they primarily represent.
All my apologies, I wanted to write "I suppose that our project also attract *some* homophobic minds".
My hypothesis is that -- pretty much be definition -- a group of people rallying together under the banner of Open Knowledge has a strong natural aversion to the kind of obscurantism and information control that is necessary for prejudice and discrimination. While there may be individuals that have problems, the group's natural flow will work against it.
-- Marc
I agree and it's also my experience. Also while free software movement seems to have bigger problem with women arrassement, the wider free culture movement seems less affected. However androcracy being a general society problem, I suppose you may expect to find that kind of comportement in our movement too.
On 04/16/2013 11:22 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote:
However androcracy being a general society problem, I suppose you may expect to find that kind of comportement in our movement too.
I'd actually in interested to see /comparative/ numbers. There's no question that, in absolute terms, there is a problem; but is it any better in our communities?
Probably one of the better examples of what I mean is, for instance, the North-American sysadmin culture (which overlaps a great deal with open source and open knowledge). While it is clear that straight white males are overwhelmingly overrepresented, my own experience is that women and other members of underrepresented groups tend to be held in exactly the same respect as the majority.
(I don't mean this in a "one of the boys" sense so much as in a "this isn't even an issue" territory for the most part).
I've no doubt that there /are/ issues - some of which I may be blind to given my own "who gives a fuck" attitude - but I'm under the impression that the magnitude of those issues is lower.
-- Marc
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