The people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the Wikimedia movement.
The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the Trump administration are not representative of the Wikimedia movement either....
Is the Community Process Steering Committee currently prepared to "engage more 'quiet' members of our community" with a statistically robust snap survey to resolve this question?
Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the most recent few hundred editors with contributions at least a year old, to get an accurate answer.
Will a respected member of the community please do this? I would like to know what the actual editing community thinks of the travel ban and their idea of an appropriate response. I don't want to see community governance by opt-in participation in obscure RFCs.
I would offer to do this myself, but I value keeping my real name unassociated with my enwiki userid.
-Will
On 02/07/2017 12:07 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote:
Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the most recent few hundred editors with contributions at least a year old, to get an accurate answer.
Will a respected member of the community please do this? I would like to know what the actual editing community thinks of the travel ban and their idea of an appropriate response. I don't want to see community governance by opt-in participation in obscure RFCs.
I would offer to do this myself, but I value keeping my real name unassociated with my enwiki userid.
Conducting a survey can have unforeseen challenges and impacts. A page worth reviewing before running a survey: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey_best_practices
The Wikimedia Foundation also offers support for those running surveys (which is a different thing from persuading the WMF to run a survey itself): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Surveys
-Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
Shouldn't we just freeze this thread? It is not going to do any good.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/07/2017 12:07 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote:
Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the most recent few hundred editors with contributions at least a year old, to get an accurate answer.
Will a respected member of the community please do this? I would like to know what the actual editing community thinks of the travel ban and their idea of an appropriate response. I don't want to see community governance by opt-in participation in obscure RFCs.
I would offer to do this myself, but I value keeping my real name unassociated with my enwiki userid.
Conducting a survey can have unforeseen challenges and impacts. A page worth reviewing before running a survey: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey_best_practices
The Wikimedia Foundation also offers support for those running surveys (which is a different thing from persuading the WMF to run a survey itself): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Surveys
-Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
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Looking at the archive, 16% of the posts to this single thread were by Gerard Meijssen. This first and only post from me on this is to agree with Yaroslav that it has been over-cooked and to point out that a better forum for this type of extended chatter is Facebook; at least until someone does something beyond vague opining.
How nice it would be to find well thought out and purposeful emails, worth putting aside to mull over on a bus ride or train journey. Instant one liners and two-party argumentative conversation seems to swamp the handful of pearls to be discovered each month in repetitive seaweed, and poorly punctuated driftwood.
Of course, this thread is still far more amusing than seeing my mailbox filled with 20 one-liner empty congratulations that could have so easily been made on a personal wiki page. But that view could be down to my age induced irritability and past enhancing rose tinted spectacles.
Fae
On 7 February 2017 at 21:43, Yaroslav Blanter ymbalt@gmail.com wrote:
Shouldn't we just freeze this thread? It is not going to do any good.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 9:59 PM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
On 02/07/2017 12:07 PM, Bill Takatoshi wrote:
Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the most recent few hundred editors with contributions at least a year old, to get an accurate answer.
Will a respected member of the community please do this? I would like to know what the actual editing community thinks of the travel ban and their idea of an appropriate response. I don't want to see community governance by opt-in participation in obscure RFCs.
I would offer to do this myself, but I value keeping my real name unassociated with my enwiki userid.
Conducting a survey can have unforeseen challenges and impacts. A page worth reviewing before running a survey: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Survey_best_practices
The Wikimedia Foundation also offers support for those running surveys (which is a different thing from persuading the WMF to run a survey itself): https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Surveys
-Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
I have been waiting for more than three years for the WMF to settle the question (below) of whether our long-term editor community supports political activism, and if so, what sort, by surveying the opinions of established editors. I was promised that the WMF would include such questions in their regular annual surveys, but those have apparently been discontinued entirely. Why?
I agree with and commend the Foundation for strongly supporting the Earth Day Live event along with KDE and Imgur. Climate action and campaign finance reform is certainly not opposed by any more than a tiny, sub-5% fraction of the long-term editor base, and I question whether the vocal minority on this list opposed to the WMF taking such a firm position actually want more fossil fuel production and more political financial corruption, or if the outrage stems instead because political parties have also taken stands on those issues? Are we going to allow the platforms of the political parties govern what we consider acceptable from the Foundation?
In any case, do we all agree that the ability to travel internationally is still fundamentally essential to the continued operation of the Foundation and its servers, personnel, hiring, and ability to protect its employees and editors from government abuses?
US State Department Halts Passport Issuing Amid Coronavirus Pandemic https://www.reddit.com/r/MarchAgainstNazis/comments/g7yrb7/us_state_departme...
Stephen Miller indicates immigration pause will be long term: report https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/494572-stephen-miller-indicates-...
That is what we should be running banners and threatening blackouts about.
-Will
The people who are loudest in their demands for consensus do not represent the Wikimedia movement.
The voices loudest for the WMF doing something against the Trump administration are not representative of the Wikimedia movement either....
Is the Community Process Steering Committee currently prepared to "engage more 'quiet' members of our community" with a statistically robust snap survey to resolve this question?
Anyone can go to Recent Changes and send a SurveyMonkey link to the most recent few hundred editors with contributions at least a year old, to get an accurate answer.
Will a respected member of the community please do this? I would like to know what the actual editing community thinks of the travel ban and their idea of an appropriate response. I don't want to see community governance by opt-in participation in obscure RFCs.
I would offer to do this myself, but I value keeping my real name unassociated with my enwiki userid.
-Will
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