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Milos Rancic

8 Jun 2010 8 Jun '10

8:20 a.m.

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"For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch. This seemingly informal encyclopedia that anyone can edit is in fact a wiki-ocracy where self-anointed experts vie for control." Some numbers are not quite correct, but this is good! Lame people don't know everything about us! [1] - http://infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/faith-in-numbers-six-more-tech-cult…

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Amory Meltzer

8 Jun 8 Jun

2:30 p.m.

Good? "Though the Wikipedia has more than 12 million registered users, its inner core consists of roughly 1,700 administrators who possess the ability to reject edits, lock down pages from further editing, and deem entire entries unworthy. But the real power lies in the Wikipedian equivalent of the College of Cardinals -- some 200 to 300 super-administrators who may banish transgressors for life and chart the wiki's strategy and direction..." With the exception of the first two numbers, nothing there is wholly or remotely true. ~A On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 04:20, Milos Rancic <millosh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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From [1]: "For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch. This seemingly informal encyclopedia that anyone can edit is in fact a wiki-ocracy where self-anointed experts vie for control." Some numbers are not quite correct, but this is good! Lame people don't know everything about us! [1] - http://infoworld.com/d/adventures-in-it/faith-in-numbers-six-more-tech-cult… _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Bod Notbod

2:43 p.m.

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"For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch.

I had zero idea what a "coffee clatch" was or is. Google tells me it should probably be "klatch". And it is "A casual social gathering for coffee and conversation". Well, I could only agree with that if you say any workplace is a coffee klatch. People converse. People drink coffee. But they do work at the same time. I don't think you become one of the top ten websites in the world, raise millions of dollars each year, by drinking caffeine and chatting. User:Bodnotbod.

Aphaia

3:05 p.m.

Of course we don't. As far as I learn from my Wikimania participation, Wikipedian's preferences go rather to beer, not dull caffeine. /me ducks On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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"For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch.

-- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

Milos Rancic

4:19 p.m.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Amory Meltzer <amorymeltzer(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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It is good that they don't know our secrets! (BTW, both article writer and I intended to be funny.)

Milos Rancic

4:21 p.m.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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"For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch.

I don't think you become one of the top ten websites in the world, raise millions of dollars each year, by drinking caffeine and chatting.

Eh, but it was about Vatican, not about Wikipedia.

Steven Walling

5:19 p.m.

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"For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch.

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Ray Saintonge

5:46 p.m.

Milos Rancic wrote:

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On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Bod Notbod wrote:

"For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch.

I don't think you become one of the top ten websites in the world, raise millions of dollars each year, by drinking caffeine and chatting.

Eh, but it was about Vatican, not about Wikipedia.

And the Vatican is not about caffeine, but about good red communion wine. We are more humble than that, and, as Aphaia has rightly pointed out, more beer flows at Wikimania. Ec

George Herbert

5:53 p.m.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 7:30 AM, Amory Meltzer <amorymeltzer(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I think that there's a definite point to that. There are a few core admins and core vocal engaged users who are "super-users" in the sense that we've generally mastered the policy and political stuff inside and can get things done, either directly or by doing the right thing process-wise. I don't know how far out to draw the line, but somewhere between 250 and 500 people all told is probably a reasonable guess. How much influence we hold over content is a more complicated question. Most of those super-users believe in the value of inclusive consensus in a strong way. With that said, WP:BITE is a constant problem... -- -george william herbert george.herbert(a)gmail.com

Ray Saintonge

6:01 p.m.

Steven Walling wrote:

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That depends on what definition of "cult" you are using. It can apply broadly (per OED) to "a system of religious veneration or devotion directed towards a particular figure or object." Ec

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen

7:03 p.m.

Milos Rancic wrote:

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From [1]:

Oh man, I like that quote. Can I have it printed on a badge or a T-shirt? Yours, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen

Gerard Meijssen

8:28 p.m.

Hoi, The Catholic church is not the same as the Vatican. It is not even the hierarchy of the Vatican. It is only the head office. Given the large amount of elderly men, guarded by beautifully dressed highly dedicated Swiss young men, given that they are a law onto themselves, they easily qualify. Thanks, GerardM On 8 June 2010 19:19, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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"For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch.

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teun spaans

8:32 p.m.

The Catholic church is not identical to the Roman Catholic church, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_%28disambiguation%29 live long and prosper, Teun Spaans On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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"Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch" They're saying we're so cliquish that we make the Vatican look like a casual coffee work party, not that we are one. Still a mixed metaphor though, considering the Catholic Church hardly meets the definition of a cult. Steven Walling On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Of course we don't. As far as I learn from my Wikimania participation, > Wikipedian's preferences go rather to beer, not dull caffeine. > > /me ducks > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod(a)gmail.com>

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> >> "For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes

the

> >> Vatican look like a coffee clatch. > > > > I had zero idea what a "coffee clatch" was or is. Google tells me it > > should probably be "klatch". > > > > And it is "A casual social gathering for coffee and conversation". > > > > Well, I could only agree with that if you say any workplace is a > > coffee klatch. People converse. People drink coffee. But they do work > > at the same time. > > > > I don't think you become one of the top ten websites in the world, > > raise millions of dollars each year, by drinking caffeine and > > chatting. > > > > User:Bodnotbod. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe:

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Gerard Meijssen

8:53 p.m.

Hoi, Dear Teun, I grew up in the mother church. When asked we would say that we were catholic. From inside the church there is no credible outside because they are not part of our community. As a little boy we did not play with the kids of the public primary school (their school was in front of our house). Technically you may be right and I will only concede that because I do no longer consider myself to be of the faith. PS thank you for your wishes.. Thanks, GerardM On 8 June 2010 22:32, teun spaans <teun.spaans(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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men, given that they are a law onto themselves, they easily qualify. Thanks, GerardM On 8 June 2010 19:19, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote: > "Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch" > > They're saying we're so cliquish that we make the Vatican look like a > casual > coffee work party, not that we are one. Still a mixed metaphor though, > considering the Catholic Church hardly meets the definition of a cult. > > Steven Walling > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Of course we don't. As far as I learn from my Wikimania

participation,

> Wikipedian's preferences go rather to beer, not dull caffeine. > > /me ducks > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> >> "For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia makes

the > > >> Vatican look like a coffee clatch. > > > > > > I had zero idea what a "coffee clatch" was or is. Google tells me

> > > should probably be "klatch". > > > > > > And it is "A casual social gathering for coffee and conversation". > > > > > > Well, I could only agree with that if you say any workplace is a > > > coffee klatch. People converse. People drink coffee. But they do

work

> > at the same time. > > > > I don't think you become one of the top ten websites in the world, > > raise millions of dollars each year, by drinking caffeine and > > chatting. > > > > User:Bodnotbod. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > KIZU Naoko > > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) > > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe:

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Steven Walling

9:10 p.m.

Okay, okay. Didn't mean to start a discussion about the nature of the Catholic Church. Just meant that it's not what most people think of when you say cult. They think of "drink the Kool-Aid", so on and so forth. Steven Walling On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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young > men, given that they are a law onto themselves, they easily qualify. > Thanks, > GerardM > > On 8 June 2010 19:19, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > "Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch" > > > > They're saying we're so cliquish that we make the Vatican look like a > > casual > > coffee work party, not that we are one. Still a mixed metaphor

though,

> > considering the Catholic Church hardly meets the definition of a

cult.

> > Steven Walling > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Of course we don't. As far as I learn from my Wikimania

participation, > > > Wikipedian's preferences go rather to beer, not dull caffeine. > > > > > > /me ducks > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > >> "For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia

makes

the > > >> Vatican look like a coffee clatch. > > > > > > I had zero idea what a "coffee clatch" was or is. Google tells me

it > > > > should probably be "klatch". > > > > > > > > And it is "A casual social gathering for coffee and

conversation".

> > > > > > Well, I could only agree with that if you say any workplace is a > > > coffee klatch. People converse. People drink coffee. But they do

work > > > > at the same time. > > > > > > > > I don't think you become one of the top ten websites in the

world,

> > raise millions of dollars each year, by drinking caffeine and > > chatting. > > > > User:Bodnotbod. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe:

https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe:

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KillerChihuahua

9:51 p.m.

We've already established we drink beer, not Kool Aid. /joke ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven Walling" <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] The High Priests of Wikipedia

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Utkarshraj Atmaram

9 Jun 9 Jun

2:29 a.m.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Amory Meltzer <amorymeltzer(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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With the exception of the first two numbers, nothing there is wholly or remotely true.

*Everything* about Wikipedia in the article is 100% true. It is based on an interview that noted scholar Sam Vaknin had granted to the author Daniel Tynan in May 2010: http://www.globalpolitician.com/26423-wikipedia-cult-jimmy-wales Remember, Sam Vaknin is a Ph.D., so he cannot be wrong. Vaknin did exhaustive research on the cult of Wikipedia from 2003 to 2006. He was blocked by the High Priests themselves when he tried fighting for truth and justice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Samvak Utkarshraj Atmaram en:User:Utcursch

Amory Meltzer

3:32 a.m.

On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 22:29, Utkarshraj Atmaram <utcursch(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Remember, Sam Vaknin is a Ph.D., so he cannot be wrong.

Probably has a Bachelor in Science, too. ~A

Lodewijk

6:13 a.m.

something that remains always underrepresented in articles about wikipedia: we are WORLD CHAMPION in [[side tracking]]! 2010/6/8 Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com>

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Hoi, Dear Teun, I grew up in the mother church. When asked we would say that

were catholic. From inside the church there is no credible outside

because

they are not part of our community. As a little boy we did not play with the kids of the public primary school (their school was in front of our

house).

Technically you may be right and I will only concede that because I do no longer consider myself to be of the faith. PS thank you for your wishes.. Thanks, GerardM On 8 June 2010 22:32, teun spaans <teun.spaans(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The Catholic church is not identical to the Roman Catholic church, see > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_Church_%28disambiguation%29 > > live long and prosper, > Teun Spaans > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Gerard Meijssen > <gerard.meijssen(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote: > > > Hoi, > > The Catholic church is not the same as the Vatican. It is not even

the

> > hierarchy of the Vatican. It is only the head office. Given the large > > amount > > of elderly men, guarded by beautifully dressed highly dedicated Swiss > young > > men, given that they are a law onto themselves, they easily qualify. > > Thanks, > > GerardM > > > > On 8 June 2010 19:19, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > > > > "Wikipedia makes the Vatican look like a coffee clatch" > > > > > > They're saying we're so cliquish that we make the Vatican look like

> > casual > > coffee work party, not that we are one. Still a mixed metaphor

though,

> > considering the Catholic Church hardly meets the definition of a

cult.

> > Steven Walling > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:05 AM, Aphaia <aphaia(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Of course we don't. As far as I learn from my Wikimania

participation, > > > Wikipedian's preferences go rather to beer, not dull caffeine. > > > > > > /me ducks > > > > > > On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Bod Notbod <bodnotbod(a)gmail.com

> wrote: > > > >> "For internecine intrigue and power struggles, the Wikipedia

makes > > the > > > > >> Vatican look like a coffee clatch. > > > > > > > > > > I had zero idea what a "coffee clatch" was or is. Google tells

it > > > > should probably be "klatch". > > > > > > > > And it is "A casual social gathering for coffee and

conversation". > > > > > > > > > > Well, I could only agree with that if you say any workplace is

> > > > > coffee klatch. People converse. People drink coffee. But they

work > > > > at the same time. > > > > > > > > I don't think you become one of the top ten websites in the

world,

> > > raise millions of dollars each year, by drinking caffeine and > > > chatting. > > > > > > User:Bodnotbod. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > KIZU Naoko > > http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) > > Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD > > > > _______________________________________________ > > foundation-l mailing list > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > Unsubscribe:

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Amory Meltzer
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Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
KillerChihuahua
Lodewijk
Milos Rancic
Ray Saintonge
Steven Walling
teun spaans
Utkarshraj Atmaram