Could someone please explain if there is some logical system in all those WMF-donation pages? I know about http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fundraising_pages http://wikimedia.org/fundraising http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home and it seems to me they differ among themselves somewhat significantly. I have translated the page at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don to czech as I thought it would be better if the sitenotice that I have placed to w:cs: would better link to a czech version of the page. But now, I have no idea where should the czech translation be placed (I suppose that m:Translation_requests/WMF-don/Cs: is not its final place), I cannot add a page to wikimediafoundation.org like the german Wikipedia did (as I have no login there), or should I create a fundraising page directly on cs: ?
And, regarding the translation: I have left out those PayPal links (and left only one in the text), as PayPal cannot be used from Czechia, so they are of no use to czech users (MoneyBookers work fine). I hope this is OK?
And a final technical question: The translation request says "Note that these pages do *not* use wiki-markup, but only HTML." But the Translation requests/WMF-don/En: is in wiki-markup! I have used wiki-markup as I used the en: version as the source; I could change it to HTML, but...should I?
Regards, Petr Kadlec (a sysop as cs:User:Mormegil)
Petr Kadlecwrote:
Could someone please explain if there is some logical system in all those WMF-donation pages? ...The translation request says "Note that these pages do *not* use wiki-markup, but only HTML.
Sorry but I had not realized the [[m:Translation requests/WMF-don]] page existed or I would have updated it. The instructions there are now out of date as the pages have moved to the Foundation website. All donations pages are now in wikitext and they rely heavily on the template system that mav described at http://mail.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2004-September/001021.html
The version that should be translated is at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising on the Foundation wiki. Please do not rely on any old copies that may still be on Meta. I apologize for any confusion that has resulted over this.
There are already four completed language versions of the fundraising page and I want to say thank you to Akl, Alex756, Anthere, Aphaia, Elian, Eloquence, Greudin, Kzhr, Paddy, Ryo, Sj, Suisui, Timwi, Tipiac, Tomos, Villy, and Yann for their work on these. Thanks also to Brion Vibber for making it technically possible to have these pages on the new Foundation wiki, and to Tim Starling and Looxix for their development work on that wiki. Finally, a very big thanks to Daniel Mayer for his extensive work on the fundraising pages and all the associated templates, and for agreeing to keep the fundraising bar up to date over the next two weeks.
The drive updates can be seen on any of the fundraising pages, and on the http://wikimediafoundation.org home page.
Angela.
The version that should be translated is at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising on the Foundation wiki. Please do not rely on any old copies that may still be on Meta. I apologize for any confusion that has resulted over this.
There is a little problem that I do not have an account on wikimediafoundation.org (and I am not allowed to make one, obviously), so that I cannot even copy the source. But AFAICS the page is very similar (on the first sight identical, except the bar) to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don/En:, which is the version I have used as the base for my translation (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don/Cs:).
So the question is: what should I do with the translation (place to cs:, ask for an account on wikimediafoundation.org, submit to a commitee ;-) ...whatever) ?
Petr Kadlec / Mormegil
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 17:11:28 +0200, PR Wikipedie petr.kadlec@gmail.com wrote:
There is a little problem that I do not have an account on wikimediafoundation.org (and I am not allowed to make one, obviously), so that I cannot even copy the source. But AFAICS the page is very similar (on the first sight identical, except the bar) to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don/En:, which is the version I have used as the base for my translation (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don/Cs:).
Hi Mormegil,
Thanks for helping translate the new donation page! Because visitors cannot see the source on WMF.org, a current copy of the source for the donation page is kept at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don/En: (Although you should check your final result against the current revision on WMF.org, in case there have been last-minute changes)
You put the translation in the right place; it may be a little while before it is migrated to the foundation site.
Cheers, +sj+ _ _ :-------.-.--------.--.--------.-.--------.--.--------[...]
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:07:03 -0400, Sj 2.718281828@gmail.com wrote:
Although you should check your final result against the current revision on WMF.org, in case there have been last-minute changes)
I would like to request that everyone stops using the abbreviation WMF to refer to the Wikimedia Foundation. We do not own the domain name WMF.org and it is not likely we ever will. If people make the effort not to use it, it will reduce confusion and misdirected traffic.
Although I quote Sj above, this is in no way directed only at him. It's bad enough that we don't own wikimedia.com that I think efforts should be made to prevent even more links to sites that are not really us.
Thanks.
Angela
Angela_ wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:07:03 -0400, Sj 2.718281828@gmail.com wrote:
Although you should check your final result against the current revision on WMF.org, in case there have been last-minute changes)
I would like to request that everyone stops using the abbreviation WMF to refer to the Wikimedia Foundation. We do not own the domain name WMF.org and it is not likely we ever will. If people make the effort not to use it, it will reduce confusion and misdirected traffic.
Although I quote Sj above, this is in no way directed only at him. It's bad enough that we don't own wikimedia.com that I think efforts should be made to prevent even more links to sites that are not really us.
Good point, both in the particular and in general. To me WMF normally refers to the World Monetary Fund. It made me wonder what they had to do with Wikimedia fundraising. :-)
The problem with initialisms is bigger than unavailable domain names. There are other possible misunderstandings when an initialism is used. One example that led to a furious exchange more than a year ago was over "LOL". The user intended it as "Lots of Luck" to encourage the contributor; the recipient read it as "Laughing out Loud" and felt that his work was being insulted.
Ec
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:41:55 +0100, Angela_ beesley@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:07:03 -0400, Sj 2.718281828@gmail.com wrote:
Although you should check your final result against the current revision on WMF.org, in case there have been last-minute changes)
We do not own the domain name WMF.org and it is not likely we ever will.
A good point. Although WMF.net is only being squatted...
Saluting your continued crusade against abbreviation, +sj+
On 20 Sep 2004, at 23:05, Sj wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 19:41:55 +0100, Angela_ beesley@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:07:03 -0400, Sj 2.718281828@gmail.com wrote:
Although you should check your final result against the current revision on WMF.org, in case there have been last-minute changes)
We do not own the domain name WMF.org and it is not likely we ever will.
A good point. Although WMF.net is only being squatted...
Saluting your continued crusade against abbreviation, +sj+
Speaking of acronyms and [[TLA]]s -- may I recommend: The book
LTI
(aka Lingua Tertii Imperii) http://www.amazon.com/o/ASIN/0826457770/
-- ropers
OK, I have updated the translation accordingly (unfortunately, wmf.org is not ours, is it ;-) ).
Thanks for the help. Petr Kadlec / Mormegil
--- Angela beesley@gmail.com wrote:
The version that should be translated is at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising on the Foundation wiki. Please do not rely on any old copies that may still be on Meta.
The big problem is that non-logged in users see an [Edit] tab for non-protected pages but when they click it, it takes them to a message saying that to edit they need to log-in. No page source is provided. This needs to be fixed ASAP.
I apologize for any confusion that has resulted over this.
So do I. But the whole new system was developed over the weekend so I haven't had time to do much documentation.
There are already four completed language versions of the fundraising page and I want to say thank you to Akl, Alex756, Anthere, Aphaia, Elian, Eloquence, Greudin, Kzhr, Paddy, Ryo, Sj, Suisui, Timwi, Tipiac, Tomos, Villy, and Yann for their work on these. Thanks also to Brion Vibber for making it technically possible to have these pages on the new Foundation wiki, and to Tim Starling and Looxix for their development work on that wiki. Finally, a very big thanks to Daniel Mayer for his extensive work on the fundraising pages and all the associated templates, and for agreeing to keep the fundraising bar up to date over the next two weeks.
Thank you. :) And a HUGE thank you to all the developers that helped create the template functionality in the first place. Variables are really neat!
For example, I just have to update http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:Fund_drive and that updates all copies in 4 different languages, each with their own translation.
Other example: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:DonationForm/Monthly/USD
+ http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:DonationForm/Monthly-en = http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Fundraising/USD/monthly via {{DonationForm/Monthly-en|CurrencyCode=USD}}
Just change the en to fr, jp, or de to get those versions.
-- Daniel Mayer (aka mav)
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--- Petr Kadlec petr.kadlec@gmail.com wrote:
Could someone please explain if there is some logical system in all those WMF-donation pages? I know about http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Fundraising_pages http://wikimedia.org/fundraising http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home and it seems to me they differ among themselves somewhat significantly. I have translated the page at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Translation_requests/WMF-don to czech as I thought it would be better if the sitenotice that I have placed to w:cs: would better link to a czech version of the page. But now, I have no idea where should the czech translation be placed (I suppose that m:Translation_requests/WMF-don/Cs: is not its final place), I cannot add a page to wikimediafoundation.org like the german Wikipedia did (as I have no login there), or should I create a fundraising page directly on cs: ?
Sorry, everything is a mess right now and there is no documentation yet because we are making this up as we go along due to the extreme rush to get the WMF wiki set-up. Things should settle down a bit in a few days at which point I will try to figure this out for myself and document that. :)
But we have moved from a one page, one language HTML-only setup to a 21 page per language setup that is very heavily dependent on wiki templates that take multiple variables (but if PayPal is irrelevant for cs, then that could be cut way down). I'm also not sure what the procedure for approving a translation is now or if there are only a certain set of languages we want translated - for that you will have to hear from the board.
-- Daniel Mayer, WMF CFO
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