This is an example of why I find the questions "Who voted for it?" and "Who voted against it?" immensely troubling. In a true democratic system, the secret ballot allows people to vote their conscience, rather than voting for popularity, material reward, fear of censure, and whatnot. A commitment to openness should not be misused so cynically. Danny In a message dated 6/4/2006 10:30:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, troyhunter0(a)lycos.com writes: Anthere wrote: This is a violation of Jimmy's promise to never vote against Anthere and Angela except on matters of grave importance. The September 2004 Wikimedia Quarto states: "To date, Tim and Michael have played a minimal part in board discussion and decisions, and there is no plan to change this. In order to ensure that the community voice is real, Jimbo has pledged, as a matter of convention, never to vote against Angela and Anthere, unless he feels that it is an issue of an absolutely fundamental change of direction for the project -- which is not likely to happen, since Angela, Anthere and Jimbo share the essential values of the community and the project. So as a practical matter, power is in the hands of the two democratically elected board members on most issues, and Jimbo defers to that." http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WQ/1 Restated in February 2005: "Angela and Anthere are unbelievably good as board members, and we have a casual agreement between us that if the two of them ever vote in one direction, I will defer to them, so that it does not matter how Tim and Michael vote. The only exception I would make to this is if they wanted something that I felt endangered us in some very extreme way -- but this is basically impossible because they are so good at what they do." http://article.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.misc/20359 and in April 2005: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation/2922 Jimmy wrote: Yes, different board members had different perspectives. That's to be expected, they come from different backgrounds. Some of them represent the community, some do not. But the elected members were not arguing for an "absolutely fundamental change of direction", were they? -- _______________________________________________ Search for businesses by name, location, or phone number. -Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.as… RC=lycos10 _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)wikimedia.org http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l