Hello, everyone.
Weeks go by, and the previous conversation was throughly derailed, so out of a profound interest in ensuring a high-value event, I am bringing this up again: we[3] *need to make progress* with planning the working-meeting-featuring-Wikimedia-affiliates-and-WMF-and-the-WMF-Board-and-AffCom[4], whatever we may end up calling it[1].
In the interest of moving on to focus on more substantive issues, and in light of there being only a single bid submitted so far[5], may I boldly *suggest that it be accepted* and that we devote the rest of the time until the spring to ensuring the lessons[6] of the previous years be heeded in *significant preparatory work* by the program team and the affiliates?
Asaf
[1] or whatever we may choose to rename it. The previous thread was successfully killed by the digression into the event's name. Let's try to keep this one on track, and discuss the name ELSEWHERE[2], shall we? [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [3] yes, not all the hundreds of people on this mailing list. But this is still the channel that reaches the greatest number of Wikimedia affiliates. [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Bids [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference
On 10/16/2014 04:22 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
Hello, everyone.
Weeks go by, and the previous conversation was throughly derailed, so out of a profound interest in ensuring a high-value event, I am bringing this up again: we[3] *need to make progress* with planning the working-meeting-featuring-Wikimedia-affiliates-and-WMF-and-the-WMF-Board-and-AffCom[4], whatever we may end up calling it[1].
In the interest of moving on to focus on more substantive issues, and in light of there being only a single bid submitted so far[5], may I boldly *suggest that it be accepted* and that we devote the rest of the time until the spring to ensuring the lessons[6] of the previous years be heeded in *significant preparatory work* by the program team and the affiliates?
Asaf[1] or whatever we may choose to rename it. The previous thread was successfully killed by the digression into the event's name. Let's try to keep this one on track, and discuss the name ELSEWHERE[2], shall we? [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [3] yes, not all the hundreds of people on this mailing list. But this is still the channel that reaches the greatest number of Wikimedia affiliates. [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Bids [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference
Yes, please.
Cheers, Filip (WMRS)
Hi,
I can speak only in a personal capacity.
My occasional readings of information about WMCH have been positive. I anticipate that visa problems will be no greater than they were at Wikimania London. The admittedly limited information about the bid sounds reasonable, as far as it goes. I assume that there will be a thorough review of the budget and program by WMF and WMCH to ensure that the ROIs for both organizations are reasonable. It seems to me that *if* this conference is to be held (I am still a bit skeptical that having this conference separate from Wikimania makes financial sense), that it is reasonable to proceed with WMCH as host.
Perhaps the name, scope, purpose, timing, and outcomes of this conference from past years and for the future can be discussed at the WMCH event.
My understanding is that there is not a community committee that reviews bids for this conference and that the Chapters Association is likely to remain in a deep freeze; if the location of this conference is subject to community consensus, I would vote to support the WMCH bid subject to the conditions and suggestions I made elsewhere in this email.
Thank you WMCH for offering to host.
Pine
On Oct 15, 2014 7:23 PM, "Asaf Bartov" abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello, everyone.
Weeks go by, and the previous conversation was throughly derailed, so out of a profound interest in ensuring a high-value event, I am bringing this up again: we[3] *need to make progress* with planning the
working-meeting-featuring-Wikimedia-affiliates-and-WMF-and-the-WMF-Board-and-AffCom[4],
whatever we may end up calling it[1].
In the interest of moving on to focus on more substantive issues, and in light of there being only a single bid submitted so far[5], may I boldly *suggest that it be accepted* and that we devote the rest of the time until the spring to ensuring the lessons[6] of the previous years be heeded in *significant preparatory work* by the program team and the affiliates?
Asaf
[1] or whatever we may choose to rename it. The previous thread was successfully killed by the digression into the event's name. Let's try to keep this one on track, and discuss the name ELSEWHERE[2], shall we? [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [3] yes, not all the hundreds of people on this mailing list. But this is still the channel that reaches the greatest number of Wikimedia
affiliates.
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Bids [6]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference
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Well said Asaf. On 16 Oct 2014 03:24, "Asaf Bartov" abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello, everyone.
Weeks go by, and the previous conversation was throughly derailed, so out of a profound interest in ensuring a high-value event, I am bringing this up again: we[3] *need to make progress* with planning the
working-meeting-featuring-Wikimedia-affiliates-and-WMF-and-the-WMF-Board-and-AffCom[4], whatever we may end up calling it[1].
In the interest of moving on to focus on more substantive issues, and in light of there being only a single bid submitted so far[5], may I boldly *suggest that it be accepted* and that we devote the rest of the time until the spring to ensuring the lessons[6] of the previous years be heeded in *significant preparatory work* by the program team and the affiliates?
Asaf
[1] or whatever we may choose to rename it. The previous thread was successfully killed by the digression into the event's name. Let's try to keep this one on track, and discuss the name ELSEWHERE[2], shall we? [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [3] yes, not all the hundreds of people on this mailing list. But this is still the channel that reaches the greatest number of Wikimedia affiliates. [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Bids [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org
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imo (but maybe I'm sitting on the wrong direction on this horse) but once we have a program it can be installed to any suitable location.
I think it would be great moving that way. WMF and a few chapters have dedicated people for event organizing, why not use them. Bidding would be then for _hosting only_, what I am sure would generate dozens of applications per event.
Not to mention how much easier would it be to keep up the consistency and the continuity (contentwise) of the events.
Balazs 2014.10.16. 4:24, "Asaf Bartov" abartov@wikimedia.org ezt írta:
Hello, everyone.
Weeks go by, and the previous conversation was throughly derailed, so out of a profound interest in ensuring a high-value event, I am bringing this up again: we[3] *need to make progress* with planning the
working-meeting-featuring-Wikimedia-affiliates-and-WMF-and-the-WMF-Board-and-AffCom[4], whatever we may end up calling it[1].
In the interest of moving on to focus on more substantive issues, and in light of there being only a single bid submitted so far[5], may I boldly *suggest that it be accepted* and that we devote the rest of the time until the spring to ensuring the lessons[6] of the previous years be heeded in *significant preparatory work* by the program team and the affiliates?
Asaf
[1] or whatever we may choose to rename it. The previous thread was successfully killed by the digression into the event's name. Let's try to keep this one on track, and discuss the name ELSEWHERE[2], shall we? [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [3] yes, not all the hundreds of people on this mailing list. But this is still the channel that reaches the greatest number of Wikimedia affiliates. [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Bids [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org
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I have updated the page on meta to reflect this decision. [1] Next item on the list: determine program committee. Could we agree on having James Hare as program committee lead?
Cheers,
Ad
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Conference_2015&d...
2014-10-16 4:22 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:
Hello, everyone.
Weeks go by, and the previous conversation was throughly derailed, so out of a profound interest in ensuring a high-value event, I am bringing this up again: we[3] *need to make progress* with planning the
working-meeting-featuring-Wikimedia-affiliates-and-WMF-and-the-WMF-Board-and-AffCom[4], whatever we may end up calling it[1].
In the interest of moving on to focus on more substantive issues, and in light of there being only a single bid submitted so far[5], may I boldly *suggest that it be accepted* and that we devote the rest of the time until the spring to ensuring the lessons[6] of the previous years be heeded in *significant preparatory work* by the program team and the affiliates?
Asaf
[1] or whatever we may choose to rename it. The previous thread was successfully killed by the digression into the event's name. Let's try to keep this one on track, and discuss the name ELSEWHERE[2], shall we? [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [3] yes, not all the hundreds of people on this mailing list. But this is still the channel that reaches the greatest number of Wikimedia affiliates. [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Bids [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org
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It seems this is uncontroversial, so Ad's super-bold edit can be taken to finalize the venue. Thanks again, WMCH! :)
I have boldly taken another step forward, and drafted a description for the program team's work, here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Programme_team
Neither I nor WMF are trying to exert undue control over this process; rather, I am moving this forward in good faith and relying on other people to be equally bold in editing (or reverting!) anything I've stated there.
Looking forward to making this the most productive WMCON[1] ever! :)
A.
[1] I remain entirely uninterested in what this event gets called. Feel free to advocate for calling it The Great Platypus Appreciation Society Gathering of 2015 or anything else, here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 12:46 PM, Ad Huikeshoven ad@wikimedia.nl wrote:
I have updated the page on meta to reflect this decision. [1] Next item on the list: determine program committee. Could we agree on having James Hare as program committee lead?
Cheers,
Ad
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_Conference_2015&d...
2014-10-16 4:22 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:
Hello, everyone.
Weeks go by, and the previous conversation was throughly derailed, so out of a profound interest in ensuring a high-value event, I am bringing this up again: we[3] *need to make progress* with planning the
working-meeting-featuring-Wikimedia-affiliates-and-WMF-and-the-WMF-Board-and-AffCom[4],
whatever we may end up calling it[1].
In the interest of moving on to focus on more substantive issues, and in light of there being only a single bid submitted so far[5], may I boldly *suggest that it be accepted* and that we devote the rest of the time until the spring to ensuring the lessons[6] of the previous years be heeded in *significant preparatory work* by the program team and the affiliates?
Asaf
[1] or whatever we may choose to rename it. The previous thread was successfully killed by the digression into the event's name. Let's try
to
keep this one on track, and discuss the name ELSEWHERE[2], shall we? [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [3] yes, not all the hundreds of people on this mailing list. But this
is
still the channel that reaches the greatest number of Wikimedia
affiliates.
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015 [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Bids [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Future_of_the_Wikimedia_Conference -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org
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2014-10-21 3:40 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:
Neither I nor WMF are trying to exert undue control over this process; rather, I am moving this forward in good faith and relying on other people to be equally bold in editing (or reverting!) anything I've stated there.
Looking forward to making this the most productive WMCON[1] ever! :)
[...]
[1] I remain entirely uninterested in what this event gets called. Feel free to advocate for calling it The Great Platypus Appreciation Society Gathering of 2015 or anything else, here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015
Speaking of appreciation, thank you Asaf and Ad for caring about this.
C
Reminder: We'd like to finalize the Wikimedia Conference 2015 Program Team by Nov 10th. If you'd like to help craft a high-quality program to make sure we make the most of this important (and expensive) face-to-face opportunity, do sign up!
Details here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Programme_team
In particular, at least one team member from a smaller or newer chapter would be great!
A.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocristian@gmail.com wrote:
2014-10-21 3:40 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:
Neither I nor WMF are trying to exert undue control over this process; rather, I am moving this forward in good faith and relying on other
people
to be equally bold in editing (or reverting!) anything I've stated there.
Looking forward to making this the most productive WMCON[1] ever! :)
[...]
[1] I remain entirely uninterested in what this event gets called. Feel free to advocate for calling it The Great Platypus Appreciation Society Gathering of 2015 or anything else, here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015
Speaking of appreciation, thank you Asaf and Ad for caring about this.
C
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Dear colleagues,
Thank you to all who volunteered to serve on programme team[1].
Continuing my informal facilitation of this team, I will be contacting the team off-list to schedule a kick-off call to discuss how to go about planning this event, so as to maximize the benefit to the movement. My own preference is for materials to be continually updated and available on Meta, so as to allow casual participation or ad-hoc comments by anyone interested (whether or not they are part of a recognized movement organization).
Watch the event pages on Meta to keep up. I will also update this list on major milestones as they take place (perhaps: selection of major themes, draft programme, final schedule). I'm sure I speak for the team when I say we welcome your input on any and all aspects of the programme team's work.
I look forward to a productive event.
Cheers,
A.
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Programme_team#Tea...
On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:07 PM, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Reminder: We'd like to finalize the Wikimedia Conference 2015 Program Team by Nov 10th. If you'd like to help craft a high-quality program to make sure we make the most of this important (and expensive) face-to-face opportunity, do sign up!
Details here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2015/Programme_team
In particular, at least one team member from a smaller or newer chapter would be great!
A.
On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 3:08 AM, Cristian Consonni < kikkocristian@gmail.com> wrote:
2014-10-21 3:40 GMT+02:00 Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org:
Neither I nor WMF are trying to exert undue control over this process; rather, I am moving this forward in good faith and relying on other
people
to be equally bold in editing (or reverting!) anything I've stated
there.
Looking forward to making this the most productive WMCON[1] ever! :)
[...]
[1] I remain entirely uninterested in what this event gets called. Feel free to advocate for calling it The Great Platypus Appreciation Society Gathering of 2015 or anything else, here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Conference_2015
Speaking of appreciation, thank you Asaf and Ad for caring about this.
C
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