I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this?
Link to a screen-shot of the ad: https://instagram.com/p/Bhl01fhhXHT/
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 at 8:53 pm, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole
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That looks somewhat misleading. Who is making the claim? Cheers, Peter
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Link to a screen-shot of the ad: https://instagram.com/p/Bhl01fhhXHT/
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 at 8:53 pm, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole
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Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to "outsiders" Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Leigh, I disagree that all projects are hostile to outsiders. When someone edit in a language they do not speak and use machine to translate contents for example and refused to stop after multiple warnings, a block in such case may not be considered an "hostile" response. That being said, I completely agree with Rob that fact-checked encyclopedia is more appropriate considering the hostility in some language Wikipedia, notably the English Wikipedia. How do you describe a Wikipedia where someone create their first article and got deleted and when the page creator approached the deleting admin on why their article got deleted and the response they received is "Kindly have the decency to create a decent article ", "count yourself lucky, I don't talk to IP address "?
Regards,
Isaac.
On Apr 15, 2018 3:21 PM, "Leigh Thelmadatter" osamadre@hotmail.com wrote:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to "outsiders" Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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That Google ad (describing Wikipedia as the fact-checked encyclopedia) is still the top result when I search for “wikipedia” in Australia.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 8:57 pm, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
Leigh, I disagree that all projects are hostile to outsiders. When someone edit in a language they do not speak and use machine to translate contents for example and refused to stop after multiple warnings, a block in such case may not be considered an "hostile" response. That being said, I completely agree with Rob that fact-checked encyclopedia is more appropriate considering the hostility in some language Wikipedia, notably the English Wikipedia. How do you describe a Wikipedia where someone create their first article and got deleted and when the page creator approached the deleting admin on why their article got deleted and the response they received is "Kindly have the decency to create a decent article ", "count yourself lucky, I don't talk to IP address "?
Regards,
Isaac.
On Apr 15, 2018 3:21 PM, "Leigh Thelmadatter" osamadre@hotmail.com wrote:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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Hey Anthony,
Apologies for the delay on this.
To the best of our knowledge, this ad isn't being run by the Wikimedia Foundation nor any vendor of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Regards Seddon
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 7:12 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
That Google ad (describing Wikipedia as the fact-checked encyclopedia) is still the top result when I search for “wikipedia” in Australia.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 8:57 pm, Isaac Olatunde reachout2isaac@gmail.com wrote:
Leigh, I disagree that all projects are hostile to outsiders. When
someone
edit in a language they do not speak and use machine to translate
contents
for example and refused to stop after multiple warnings, a block in such case may not be considered an "hostile" response. That being said, I completely agree with Rob that fact-checked encyclopedia is more appropriate considering the hostility in some language Wikipedia, notably the English Wikipedia. How do you describe a Wikipedia where someone
create
their first article and got deleted and when the page creator approached the deleting admin on why their article got deleted and the response they received is "Kindly have the decency to create a decent article ", "count yourself lucky, I don't talk to IP address "?
Regards,
Isaac.
On Apr 15, 2018 3:21 PM, "Leigh Thelmadatter" osamadre@hotmail.com wrote:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia.
We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
discussion
about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone
else
uncomfortabe with this?
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Thanks Joseph. How weird.
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 at 3:01 pm, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey Anthony,
Apologies for the delay on this.
To the best of our knowledge, this ad isn't being run by the Wikimedia Foundation nor any vendor of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Regards Seddon
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 7:12 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
That Google ad (describing Wikipedia as the fact-checked encyclopedia) is still the top result when I search for “wikipedia” in Australia.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 8:57 pm, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
Leigh, I disagree that all projects are hostile to outsiders. When
someone
edit in a language they do not speak and use machine to translate
contents
for example and refused to stop after multiple warnings, a block in
such
case may not be considered an "hostile" response. That being said, I completely agree with Rob that fact-checked encyclopedia is more appropriate considering the hostility in some language Wikipedia,
notably
the English Wikipedia. How do you describe a Wikipedia where someone
create
their first article and got deleted and when the page creator
approached
the deleting admin on why their article got deleted and the response
they
received is "Kindly have the decency to create a decent article ",
"count
yourself lucky, I don't talk to IP address "?
Regards,
Isaac.
On Apr 15, 2018 3:21 PM, "Leigh Thelmadatter" osamadre@hotmail.com wrote:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia.
We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of
reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
discussion
about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone
else
uncomfortabe with this?
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Maybe it’s by an affiliate (WMAU?). Presumably it has to be someone with permission to use the trademark, otherwise a request to google to turn it off should be made?
Thanks, Mike
On 25 Apr 2018, at 05:54, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Joseph. How weird.
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 at 3:01 pm, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hey Anthony,
Apologies for the delay on this.
To the best of our knowledge, this ad isn't being run by the Wikimedia Foundation nor any vendor of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Regards Seddon
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 7:12 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
That Google ad (describing Wikipedia as the fact-checked encyclopedia) is still the top result when I search for “wikipedia” in Australia.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 8:57 pm, Isaac Olatunde <reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
Leigh, I disagree that all projects are hostile to outsiders. When
someone
edit in a language they do not speak and use machine to translate
contents
for example and refused to stop after multiple warnings, a block in
such
case may not be considered an "hostile" response. That being said, I completely agree with Rob that fact-checked encyclopedia is more appropriate considering the hostility in some language Wikipedia,
notably
the English Wikipedia. How do you describe a Wikipedia where someone
create
their first article and got deleted and when the page creator
approached
the deleting admin on why their article got deleted and the response
they
received is "Kindly have the decency to create a decent article ",
"count
yourself lucky, I don't talk to IP address "?
Regards,
Isaac.
On Apr 15, 2018 3:21 PM, "Leigh Thelmadatter" osamadre@hotmail.com wrote:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia.
We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of
reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
discussion
about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone
else
uncomfortabe with this?
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Nothing to do with Wikimedia Australia, we have made no such request.
On 25 April 2018 at 19:52, Michael Peel email@mikepeel.net wrote:
Maybe it’s by an affiliate (WMAU?). Presumably it has to be someone with permission to use the trademark, otherwise a request to google to turn it off should be made?
Thanks, Mike
On 25 Apr 2018, at 05:54, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Joseph. How weird.
On Wed, 25 Apr 2018 at 3:01 pm, Joseph Seddon jseddon@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hey Anthony,
Apologies for the delay on this.
To the best of our knowledge, this ad isn't being run by the Wikimedia Foundation nor any vendor of the Wikimedia Foundation.
Regards Seddon
On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 7:12 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
That Google ad (describing Wikipedia as the fact-checked encyclopedia)
is
still the top result when I search for “wikipedia” in Australia.
On Wed, 18 Apr 2018 at 8:57 pm, Isaac Olatunde <
reachout2isaac@gmail.com
wrote:
Leigh, I disagree that all projects are hostile to outsiders. When
someone
edit in a language they do not speak and use machine to translate
contents
for example and refused to stop after multiple warnings, a block in
such
case may not be considered an "hostile" response. That being said, I completely agree with Rob that fact-checked encyclopedia is more appropriate considering the hostility in some language Wikipedia,
notably
the English Wikipedia. How do you describe a Wikipedia where someone
create
their first article and got deleted and when the page creator
approached
the deleting admin on why their article got deleted and the response
they
received is "Kindly have the decency to create a decent article ",
"count
yourself lucky, I don't talk to IP address "?
Regards,
Isaac.
On Apr 15, 2018 3:21 PM, "Leigh Thelmadatter" osamadre@hotmail.com wrote:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
> I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
linking
to > wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia.
We
used > to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
> than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of
reliability
and
> oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
discussion
> about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone
else
> uncomfortabe with this? > -- > Anthony Cole > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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No
thing to do with Wikimedia Australia, we have made no such request.
Well, I guess Occam has it that a local Kmart store thought it was good to use a keyword that put them in the top of a fairiy common search result. Sneaky.
Med vänliga hälsningar Jan Ainali http://ainali.com
2018-04-26 6:43 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com:
No
thing to do with Wikimedia Australia, we have made no such request.
-- G angarra . Noongarpedia: https://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wp/nys/Main_Page WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra Photo Gallery: http://gnangarra.redbubble.com Out now: A.Gaynor, P. Newman and P. Jennings (eds.), *Never Again: Reflections on Environmental Responsibility after Roe 8*, UWAP, 2017. Order here https://uwap.uwa.edu.au/products/never-again- reflections-on-environmental-responsibility-after-roe-8 . _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Yea, looks like a K*mart ad.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 2:55 AM Jan Ainali jan@aina.li wrote:
Well, I guess Occam has it that a local Kmart store thought it was good to use a keyword that put them in the top of a fairiy common search result. Sneaky.
Med vänliga hälsningar Jan Ainali http://ainali.com
2018-04-26 6:43 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com:
No
thing to do with Wikimedia Australia, we have made no such request.
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It's still there. Still linking to a local Kmart store. I'll email legal and point them to this thread.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 8:35 PM Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com wrote:
Yea, looks like a K*mart ad.
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, 2:55 AM Jan Ainali jan@aina.li wrote:
Well, I guess Occam has it that a local Kmart store thought it was good
to
use a keyword that put them in the top of a fairiy common search result. Sneaky.
Med vänliga hälsningar Jan Ainali http://ainali.com
2018-04-26 6:43 GMT+02:00 Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com:
No
thing to do with Wikimedia Australia, we have made no such request.
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Thank you Gnangarra.
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018, 12:44 PM Gnangarra gnangarra@gmail.com wrote:
No
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Indeed. It's a very noticeable problem at the Wikipedia in Portuguese. During a workshop with librarians from the National Library last month, I was kind of shocked by the huge amount of semi-automated warnings they were receiving, some of them completely useless, as they were directed to code-editing rather than the Visual Editor they were using. The librarians were also puzzled by the apparently pointless aggressivity and hostility coming from the environment they were trying to join.
On the other hand, content is now much more reliable than it used to be - there is even a movement at our local wikipedia which is working to completely eradicate unsourced articles from there. Even more, we kind of justify that hostility against newbies with the notion that the project is being actively protected and surveilled against vandalism and fake claims.
So yes, I concur that "fact-checked encyclopedia" is more appropriated today than "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" - at pt.wiki as well.
Paulo
2018-04-15 15:21 GMT+01:00 Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to "outsiders" Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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Hoi, The notion that unsourced articles need to be eradicated is fundamentally so wrong. The notion should be; we are going to source the unsourced articles and ensure that we provide the best information possible.
Hostility only ensures that the point of view of the person who is hostile will dominate not that Wikipedia has a neutral point of view. Thanks, GerardM
On 15 April 2018 at 16:50, Paulo Santos Perneta paulosperneta@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed. It's a very noticeable problem at the Wikipedia in Portuguese. During a workshop with librarians from the National Library last month, I was kind of shocked by the huge amount of semi-automated warnings they were receiving, some of them completely useless, as they were directed to code-editing rather than the Visual Editor they were using. The librarians were also puzzled by the apparently pointless aggressivity and hostility coming from the environment they were trying to join.
On the other hand, content is now much more reliable than it used to be - there is even a movement at our local wikipedia which is working to completely eradicate unsourced articles from there. Even more, we kind of justify that hostility against newbies with the notion that the project is being actively protected and surveilled against vandalism and fake claims.
So yes, I concur that "fact-checked encyclopedia" is more appropriated today than "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" - at pt.wiki as well.
Paulo
2018-04-15 15:21 GMT+01:00 Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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To be clear, I’m not arguing we should resurrect “anyone can edit”. I’m wondering if this new slogan doesn’t run the risk of misleading readers wrt Wikipedia’s reliability.
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 at 10:21 pm, Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com wrote:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to "outsiders" Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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Both slogans/claims are not entirely wrong, but also both are highly misleading, and should not be used. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Anthony Cole Sent: 15 April 2018 16:54 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
To be clear, I’m not arguing we should resurrect “anyone can edit”. I’m wondering if this new slogan doesn’t run the risk of misleading readers wrt Wikipedia’s reliability.
On Sun, 15 Apr 2018 at 10:21 pm, Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com wrote:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to "outsiders" Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a incircumstantial series of tirades.
Vito
2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to "outsiders" Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I think we should change this to our slogan just for April 1.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a incircumstantial series of tirades.
Vito
2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to "outsiders" Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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I just googled "wikipedia" again and that ad is still coming up. (I’m in Australia.) When you click the link in the ad it takes you (via 3 or 4 redirects) to wikipedia.org with the word "paid" in the search field. [1] When you click the Google maps link below the ad text it, strangely, takes you to the location of a suburban Kmart store. I'm finding it harder to believe this is sanctioned by WMF. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if someone from the WMF could chime in on this.
1. https://instagram.com/p/BhpnGuehzhw/
On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 9:48 pm, Robert Fernandez wikigamaliel@gmail.com wrote:
"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I think we should change this to our slogan just for April 1.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a
incircumstantial
series of tirades.
Vito
2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
discussion
about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/
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I suspect that the ad in question is a freebie, donated through Google's giveaway to nonprofits. If so there is a point person at wmf (maybe in the advancement team?) Who would know for sure.
Philippe
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:10 PM Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled "wikipedia" again and that ad is still coming up. (I’m in Australia.) When you click the link in the ad it takes you (via 3 or 4 redirects) to wikipedia.org with the word "paid" in the search field. [1] When you click the Google maps link below the ad text it, strangely, takes you to the location of a suburban Kmart store. I'm finding it harder to believe this is sanctioned by WMF. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if someone from the WMF could chime in on this.
On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 9:48 pm, Robert Fernandez wikigamaliel@gmail.com wrote:
"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I think we should change this to our slogan just for April 1.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a
incircumstantial
series of tirades.
Vito
2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter osamadre@hotmail.com:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia.
We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of
reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
discussion
about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone
else
uncomfortabe with this?
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Hey Anthony.
These emails came in on a weekend and today is a WMF holiday so I suspect it'll be another 24 hours or so before a response will get to you :)
Regards Seddon
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Philippe Beaudette philippe@beaudette.me wrote:
I suspect that the ad in question is a freebie, donated through Google's giveaway to nonprofits. If so there is a point person at wmf (maybe in the advancement team?) Who would know for sure.
Philippe
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:10 PM Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled "wikipedia" again and that ad is still coming up. (I’m in Australia.) When you click the link in the ad it takes you (via 3 or 4 redirects) to wikipedia.org with the word "paid" in the search field.
[1]
When you click the Google maps link below the ad text it, strangely,
takes
you to the location of a suburban Kmart store. I'm finding it harder to believe this is sanctioned by WMF. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if someone from the WMF could chime in on this.
On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 9:48 pm, Robert Fernandez <wikigamaliel@gmail.com
wrote:
"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil
people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I think we should change this to our slogan just for April 1.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com
wrote:
"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for evil people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a
incircumstantial
series of tirades.
Vito
2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter <osamadre@hotmail.com
:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked
encyclopedia.
We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of
reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
discussion
about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone
else
uncomfortabe with this?
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Thank you, Philippe and Joseph.
On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 at 8:22 am, Joseph Seddon josephseddon@gmail.com wrote:
Hey Anthony.
These emails came in on a weekend and today is a WMF holiday so I suspect it'll be another 24 hours or so before a response will get to you :)
Regards Seddon
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 1:15 AM, Philippe Beaudette <philippe@beaudette.me
wrote:
I suspect that the ad in question is a freebie, donated through Google's giveaway to nonprofits. If so there is a point person at wmf (maybe in
the
advancement team?) Who would know for sure.
Philippe
On Mon, Apr 16, 2018 at 5:10 PM Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com
wrote:
I just googled "wikipedia" again and that ad is still coming up. (I’m
in
Australia.) When you click the link in the ad it takes you (via 3 or 4 redirects) to wikipedia.org with the word "paid" in the search field.
[1]
When you click the Google maps link below the ad text it, strangely,
takes
you to the location of a suburban Kmart store. I'm finding it harder to believe this is sanctioned by WMF. Anyway, I’d appreciate it if someone from the WMF could chime in on this.
On Mon, 16 Apr 2018 at 9:48 pm, Robert Fernandez <
wikigamaliel@gmail.com
wrote:
"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for
evil
people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I think we should change this to our slogan just for April 1.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 11:31 AM, Vi to vituzzu.wiki@gmail.com
wrote:
"🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥The encyclopedia of evil people, by evil people, for
evil
people 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥" + a winking Baphomet as logo
I find close to pointless derailing any discussion into a
incircumstantial
series of tirades.
Vito
2018-04-15 16:21 GMT+02:00 Leigh Thelmadatter <
osamadre@hotmail.com
:
Not just English Wikipedia. All of the projects are hostile to
"outsiders"
Those not in English might even be worse for several reasons
Enviado desde mi LG de Telcel
------ Original message------ From: Robert Fernandez Date: Sun, Apr 15, 2018 9:17 AM To: Wikimedia Mailing List; Cc: Subject:Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia
anyone
can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole <
ahcoleecu@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
linking
to > wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked
encyclopedia.
We
used > to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems
more
honest
> than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of
reliability
and
> oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
discussion
> about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is
anyone
else
> uncomfortabe with this? > -- > Anthony Cole > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at:
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Anyone with internet can edit it, but not necessarily for long if they do it badly, and it is not easy to do it well. Some of the facts are checked some of the time by some of the people, some of whom are competent to do so. "The fact-checked encyclopedia " is not entirely wrong. Misleading though. Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Robert Fernandez Sent: 15 April 2018 16:16 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
Considering the barriers to entry, growing thicket of policies, organized group harassment, and open hostility on the English Wikipedia, I'm not sure we can even call it "the encyclopedia anyone can edit" anymore. So I'd say fact-checked is a more accurate and relevant claim these days.
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 8:53 AM, Anthony Cole ahcoleecu@gmail.com wrote:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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I'd just stick to "The Free Encyclopedia". It's a thing we can really agree upon. (We can, right? Please tell me we can.)
But I am curious - who made this ad?
בתאריך יום א׳, 15 באפר׳ 2018, 15:54, מאת Anthony Cole <ahcoleecu@gmail.com
:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
If we want to do fact checking, which we do whether Congress has decided publishers are responsible for the content of their publications or not, the way to automate it is shown at https://priyankamandikal.github.io/posts/gsoc-2016-project-overview/
Best regards, Jim
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I'd just stick to "The Free Encyclopedia". It's a thing we can really agree upon. (We can, right? Please tell me we can.)
But I am curious - who made this ad?
בתאריך יום א׳, 15 באפר׳ 2018, 15:54, מאת Anthony Cole <ahcoleecu@gmail.com
:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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I would like to try that but could not work out what to do from the link Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Salsman Sent: 15 April 2018 18:11 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
If we want to do fact checking, which we do whether Congress has decided publishers are responsible for the content of their publications or not, the way to automate it is shown at https://priyankamandikal.github.io/posts/gsoc-2016-project-overview/
Best regards, Jim
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I'd just stick to "The Free Encyclopedia". It's a thing we can really agree upon. (We can, right? Please tell me we can.)
But I am curious - who made this ad?
בתאריך יום א׳, 15 באפר׳ 2018, 15:54, מאת Anthony Cole <ahcoleecu@gmail.com
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I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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I just tried googling Wikipedia and am not seeing that result at all. I see " *Wikipedia* is a free online encyclopedia, created and edited by volunteers around the world and hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation."
When I do the same search on mobile, I see the same thing, except this time it is accompanied by the Dutch version, which I personally find very cute, and very Dutch. Consider it the "Eeyore version of explaining free knowlege".
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
I would like to try that but could not work out what to do from the link Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Salsman Sent: 15 April 2018 18:11 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
If we want to do fact checking, which we do whether Congress has decided publishers are responsible for the content of their publications or not, the way to automate it is shown at https://priyankamandikal.github.io/posts/gsoc-2016-project-overview/
Best regards, Jim
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I'd just stick to "The Free Encyclopedia". It's a thing we can really
agree
upon. (We can, right? Please tell me we can.)
But I am curious - who made this ad?
בתאריך יום א׳, 15 באפר׳ 2018, 15:54, מאת Anthony Cole <
ahcoleecu@gmail.com
:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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There will always be a use for a fact-checked online encyclopedia. https://everything2.com/title/The+Everything+credibility+problem
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 12:47 PM, Jane Darnell jane023@gmail.com wrote:
I just tried googling Wikipedia and am not seeing that result at all. I see " *Wikipedia* is a free online encyclopedia, created and edited by volunteers around the world and hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation."
When I do the same search on mobile, I see the same thing, except this time it is accompanied by the Dutch version, which I personally find very cute, and very Dutch. Consider it the "Eeyore version of explaining free knowlege".
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 6:42 PM, Peter Southwood < peter.southwood@telkomsa.net> wrote:
I would like to try that but could not work out what to do from the link Cheers, Peter
-----Original Message----- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of James Salsman Sent: 15 April 2018 18:11 To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] The fact-checked encyclopedia
If we want to do fact checking, which we do whether Congress has decided publishers are responsible for the content of their publications or not, the way to automate it is shown at https://priyankamandikal.github.io/posts/gsoc-2016-project-overview/
Best regards, Jim
On Sun, Apr 15, 2018 at 9:35 AM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
I'd just stick to "The Free Encyclopedia". It's a thing we can really
agree
upon. (We can, right? Please tell me we can.)
But I am curious - who made this ad?
בתאריך יום א׳, 15 באפר׳ 2018, 15:54, מאת Anthony Cole <
ahcoleecu@gmail.com
:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad
linking
to
wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We
used
to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more
honest
than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability
and
oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the
discussion
about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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Looks good to me. Peter
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I'd just stick to "The Free Encyclopedia". It's a thing we can really agree upon. (We can, right? Please tell me we can.)
But I am curious - who made this ad?
בתאריך יום א׳, 15 באפר׳ 2018, 15:54, מאת Anthony Cole <ahcoleecu@gmail.com
:
I just googled “wikipedia” and the first result was a Google ad linking to wikipedia.org.[1] It calls Wikipedia the fact-checked encyclopedia. We used to call it the encyclopedia anyone can edit. The latter seems more honest than this new formulation which to me implies a degree of reliability and oversight I'm not sure we can ethically assert. I missed the discussion about this new self-description. Did it happen on meta? Is anyone else uncomfortabe with this? -- Anthony Cole _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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