On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.comwrote:
A quick visit to stats.grok.se indicates that the "Search" feature of English Wikipedia was used 63 million times last month [...]
Long time ago I played around with the idea that our endeavor for free knowledge would result in spin-off movements, some of which have already happened. Like easing the access to current primary sources (Open Access), guaranteeing the distribution of knowledge (Wikipedia Zero, movement for net neutrality), and making sure that it can be found with global open search tools (?).
This last part is mostly uncharted territory, and as the diversity of our open knowledge repository expands, it seems that we can offer much more than "just wikipedia text search". Commercial search engines are moving in the direction of search result mash-ups, mixing text , images, videos, maps, data... so the user has an idea of which facets of the subject he or she can explore further. Even mash-ups generated from Wikimedia sites will never be able to compete with web search engines, but it can become the primary choice when looking for free knowledge, specially if synergies with other free knowledge organizations were sought.
Perhaps there will be gaps, but I am convinced that with the time they will become less. Maps were missing and OSM has covered that void, there were no free scores, and then IMSLP appeared. Even for products there is Open Product Data in the making. And regarding local business seems that Wikivoyage and OSM have something to offer too, and who knows what will come next.
I wonder what are your thoughts about the exciting topic of joining forces with other organizations in the search front to become more than the sum of the parts.
Micru
Hoi, We already have this in WD-Search.
Try it for instance on the Telugu or Tamil Wikipedia. Search for any subject that is covered in a Wikidata supported Wiki. You can use any script. When the label exists, it will find it for you.
Thanks to automated descriptions you will get to see what the item is about. You will be able to find articles in a Wikipedia and a link to Commons.
PS Your project can have this enabled by adding one line to common.js Thanks, GerardM
On 16 May 2014 11:46, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth@gmail.com
wrote:
A quick visit to stats.grok.se indicates that the "Search" feature of English Wikipedia was used 63 million times last month [...]
Long time ago I played around with the idea that our endeavor for free knowledge would result in spin-off movements, some of which have already happened. Like easing the access to current primary sources (Open Access), guaranteeing the distribution of knowledge (Wikipedia Zero, movement for net neutrality), and making sure that it can be found with global open search tools (?).
This last part is mostly uncharted territory, and as the diversity of our open knowledge repository expands, it seems that we can offer much more than "just wikipedia text search". Commercial search engines are moving in the direction of search result mash-ups, mixing text , images, videos, maps, data... so the user has an idea of which facets of the subject he or she can explore further. Even mash-ups generated from Wikimedia sites will never be able to compete with web search engines, but it can become the primary choice when looking for free knowledge, specially if synergies with other free knowledge organizations were sought.
Perhaps there will be gaps, but I am convinced that with the time they will become less. Maps were missing and OSM has covered that void, there were no free scores, and then IMSLP appeared. Even for products there is Open Product Data in the making. And regarding local business seems that Wikivoyage and OSM have something to offer too, and who knows what will come next.
I wonder what are your thoughts about the exciting topic of joining forces with other organizations in the search front to become more than the sum of the parts.
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Gerard, I was referring to search integration with external projects.
Does WD-Search do that?
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 12:29 PM, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi, We already have this in WD-Search.
Try it for instance on the Telugu or Tamil Wikipedia. Search for any subject that is covered in a Wikidata supported Wiki. You can use any script. When the label exists, it will find it for you.
Thanks to automated descriptions you will get to see what the item is about. You will be able to find articles in a Wikipedia and a link to Commons.
PS Your project can have this enabled by adding one line to common.js Thanks, GerardM
On 16 May 2014 11:46, David Cuenca dacuetu@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 10:28 AM, Pete Forsyth <peteforsyth@gmail.com
wrote:
A quick visit to stats.grok.se indicates that the "Search" feature of English Wikipedia was used 63 million times last month [...]
Long time ago I played around with the idea that our endeavor for free knowledge would result in spin-off movements, some of which have already happened. Like easing the access to current primary sources (Open
Access),
guaranteeing the distribution of knowledge (Wikipedia Zero, movement for net neutrality), and making sure that it can be found with global open search tools (?).
This last part is mostly uncharted territory, and as the diversity of our open knowledge repository expands, it seems that we can offer much more than "just wikipedia text search". Commercial search engines are moving
in
the direction of search result mash-ups, mixing text , images, videos, maps, data... so the user has an idea of which facets of the subject he
or
she can explore further. Even mash-ups generated from Wikimedia sites will never be able to
compete
with web search engines, but it can become the primary choice when
looking
for free knowledge, specially if synergies with other free knowledge organizations were sought.
Perhaps there will be gaps, but I am convinced that with the time they
will
become less. Maps were missing and OSM has covered that void, there were
no
free scores, and then IMSLP appeared. Even for products there is Open Product Data in the making. And regarding local business seems that Wikivoyage and OSM have something to offer too, and who knows what will come next.
I wonder what are your thoughts about the exciting topic of joining
forces
with other organizations in the search front to become more than the sum
of
the parts.
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David Cuenca, 16/05/2014 12:55:
Gerard, I was referring to search integration with external projects.
Does WD-Search do that?
No, but it's an example of what can be already be done with API calls. http://magnusmanske.de/wordpress/?p=108
Potentially even better, interwiki search was restored: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44420 You can try it on Italian language projects: https://it.wikiquote.org/w/index.php?title=Speciale%3ARicerca&search=gatto&fulltext=Ricerca
Portals like wikiwix.com and http://search.creativecommons.org have existed for a long time, but soon they'll be able to get much more from Wikimedia projects (after some more CirrusSearch deploys and Wikidata data imports).
Nemo
On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.comwrote:
Portals like wikiwix.com and http://search.creativecommons.org have existed for a long time, but soon they'll be able to get much more from Wikimedia projects (after some more CirrusSearch deploys and Wikidata data imports).
Wikiwix doesn't combine results from other non-wikimedia sites. And the CC portal just directs to each different search engine. Those are really poor search solutions when looking for results from multiple free knowledge sites.
Thanks anyhow for pointing me to them, I didn't know about their existence before.
Micru
David Cuenca, 16/05/2014 20:41:
Wikiwix doesn't combine results from other non-wikimedia sites. And the CC portal just directs to each different search engine. Those are really poor search solutions when looking for results from multiple free knowledge sites.
Thanks anyhow for pointing me to them, I didn't know about their existence before.
Sure, I mentioned them as two long-time loosely related partners of ours who could be (in theory) contacted for an idea like yours, now that there are more options. No idea who else could be interested: the last Ubuntu, and Firefox since forever, have their own "search portals", but with their own priorities.
Otherwise, we can just wait for the miracles of APIs and free licenses to happen, at most with some prodding, unrelatedly from any effort of ours. For instance, Yandex seems to have some interest in our stuff, maybe they'll do something surprising at some point. :)
Nemo
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