GerardM,
Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple language Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
Why not have a chapter that is physically close to the WMF in e.g. Tijuana?
On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 2:18 PM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
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I worry that these three options are unecessarily exclusive and probably a bit simplistic. Why suggest these three? On 28 Jun 2015 13:27, "James Salsman" jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
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Hoi, I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference for USA activities. That is what chapters are about. Thanks. GerardM
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Wikimedia's current structure makes us vulnerable for beeing labelled as u.s. american monopoly by jeanmarie cavada, French member of the European Parliament: http://jeanmariecavada.eu/ma-position-sur-le-droit-de-panorama/
Best Rupert On Jun 28, 2015 5:42 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference for USA activities. That is what chapters are about. Thanks. GerardM
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Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple
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Hoi, Well when he does not have a better point of view, he has hardly any arguments at all. Just as if French students will not suffer for the lack of a freedom of panorama. Where does it say students have money to spend on "professional" pictures and where does it say they should? Thanks, GerardM
On 28 June 2015 at 18:39, rupert THURNER rupert.thurner@gmail.com wrote:
Wikimedia's current structure makes us vulnerable for beeing labelled as u.s. american monopoly by jeanmarie cavada, French member of the European Parliament: http://jeanmariecavada.eu/ma-position-sur-le-droit-de-panorama/
Best Rupert On Jun 28, 2015 5:42 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi, I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference
for
USA activities. That is what chapters are about. Thanks. GerardM
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Hi!
I do not think language discrimination is the only possible discrimination. I would prefer and consider it better if the international organisation would be located next to the office of a local chapter. Then a different perspective is possible.
Also I would like to suggest to have an WMF office on the various continents: one in North America, one in South America, one in Europe, one in Africa and one in Asia. I think only then it is really possible to to understand the differences between the continents/regions in the world and to be closer to the volunteers themselves. (And this can be in the same building as a local chapter.)
In Brussels there is an office used/paid by the Wikimedia EU policy group, the place where the whole of Europe meets, in multiple ways. Also situated in the middle of four of the most active chapters in Europe and relatively close to Jimbo. (I think ideal for a WMF office as well, but I may have a COI here.)
So a co-headquarters in Belgium would be a great idea.
Romaine
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James Heilman wrote:
We need to make our current Wikipedias simpler. Yes I know it is an uphill battle but we just need more people working on it.
That is why, as I have announced previously, I will soon begin raising money for the human fact-checkers and proofreaders necessary for the http://mediawiki.org/wiki/Accuracy_review project. It was decided previously that project had to be run first on the Simple English Wikipedia. However, there is no reason, as a read-only bot, it can't be run simultaneously on the ordinary Wikipedias. Given the spectacular abilities of the first two volunteers, that will not be a problem, I hope.
If the WikiEd Foundation is persuaded to start hiring such fact-checkers and proofreaders for their students' work, that would be great, but it would be ideal if they would also pay outright for general accuracy review of all editors' work, initially on a trial basis, e.g., 50% students' work and 50% on general edits ordered by the likelihood that they aren't simple enough syntactically or are out of date in high-readership articles.
I urge those who would like to see an organized, paid, accuracy review pilot project so that people can evaluate the quality of the resulting (initially only suggested) edits, to join me in personally asking Frank Schulenburg to implement such a trial.
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