Yes so Wiki Med Foundation Inc incorporated Dec 19, 2012 and we had our first official board meeting Dec 26, 2012. We have had expressed interest from 57 people from more than a dozen countries with a large group of interested members from India. Our 9 board members are from 7 different countries.
Our first official event is being held January 7-11th at the University of California San Francisco in collaboration with Wikimedia Canada. We have been invited by the college of medicine to give a half dozen lectures on Wikipedia and Medicine and a few editing sessions where students and staff can try their hand at editing themselves. This is in preparation for an elective for 3rd and 4th year medical students which will resolve around contribution to Wikimedia projects hopefully to launch in the spring.
Of course we are a new corporation, however our membership is composed of people who have extensive experience within the Wikimedia movement. Once we have had a chance to prove ourselves over the next 6 month we will re approach the aff com / Wikimedia movement to determine if an official association is desired. Currently as stated by Bence we are not officially associated.
On 29 December 2012 00:05, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Yes so Wiki Med Foundation Inc incorporated Dec 19, 2012 and we had our
Isn't the name just a little prone to confusion with Wikimedia Foundation?
- d.
On 12/29/12 1:15 AM, David Gerard wrote:
On 29 December 2012 00:05, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Yes so Wiki Med Foundation Inc incorporated Dec 19, 2012 and we had our
Isn't the name just a little prone to confusion with Wikimedia Foundation?
- d.
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At the same time, Wiki is not a trademarked term and the term "Foundation" is a pretty usual one as well (in particular if it is indeed a Foundation...).
It is certainly sufficient to dismiss any confusion if they do not use our logos, our colors and do not try to pretend they somehow are affiliated.
Flo
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Florence Devouard anthere9@yahoo.comwrote:
At the same time, Wiki is not a trademarked term and the term "Foundation" is a pretty usual one as well (in particular if it is indeed a Foundation...).
You're correct as far as each individual term is concerned, but I'm not sure the same logic applies to the name as a whole. In my opinion, "Wiki Med Foundation" and "Wikimedia Foundation" are indeed so similar as to cause confusion between the two, particularly when the new organization *is* intending to use the same colors/logos/slogans/etc. as the WMF.
Kirill
On 12/29/12 6:05 PM, Kirill Lokshin wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Florence Devouard anthere9@yahoo.comwrote:
At the same time, Wiki is not a trademarked term and the term "Foundation" is a pretty usual one as well (in particular if it is indeed a Foundation...).
You're correct as far as each individual term is concerned, but I'm not sure the same logic applies to the name as a whole. In my opinion, "Wiki Med Foundation" and "Wikimedia Foundation" are indeed so similar as to cause confusion between the two, particularly when the new organization *is* intending to use the same colors/logos/slogans/etc. as the WMF.
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If that's their intent, yeah, that's annoying.
At the minimum, until they are affiliated, they should avoid doing this to limit the confusion (temporary logo and adoption of purple/pink brand colors :)).
After affiliation, I suppose they may have the officially declared name (which will hardly be used) and the day-to-day name.
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Florence Devouard anthere9@yahoo.comwrote:
On 12/29/12 6:05 PM, Kirill Lokshin wrote:
On Sat, Dec 29, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Florence Devouard <anthere9@yahoo.com
wrote:
At the same time, Wiki is not a trademarked term and the term
"Foundation" is a pretty usual one as well (in particular if it is indeed a Foundation...).
You're correct as far as each individual term is concerned, but I'm not sure the same logic applies to the name as a whole. In my opinion, "Wiki Med Foundation" and "Wikimedia Foundation" are indeed so similar as to cause confusion between the two, particularly when the new organization *is* intending to use the same colors/logos/slogans/etc. as the WMF.
It seems guaranteed to cause confusion.
"Wiki Med" strikes me as the second most confusing possible name for an associated group. The most confusing would be a multimedia / news organization named "Wiki Media". I hope the medical group will change its name officially and permanently.
SJ
Samuel Klein wrote:
It seems guaranteed to cause confusion.
"Wiki Med" strikes me as the second most confusing possible name for an associated group. The most confusing would be a multimedia / news organization named "Wiki Media". I hope the medical group will change its name officially and permanently.
Second most confusing? I guess you missed the wikitech-l thread about a possible "MediaWiki Foundation."
[snip]
Yes, what the world needs is another horribly confusingly named foundation. After we establish the MediaWiki Foundation, we can start work on the MikiWedia Foundation and the WediaMiki Foundation. ;-)
[/snip]
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2012-August/062843.html
MZMcBride
On Dec 29, 2012 2:22 PM, "MZMcBride" z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Samuel Klein wrote:
It seems guaranteed to cause confusion.
"Wiki Med" strikes me as the second most confusing possible name for an associated group. The most confusing would be a multimedia / news organization named "Wiki Media". I hope the medical group will change its name officially and
permanently.
Second most confusing? I guess you missed the wikitech-l thread about a possible "MediaWiki Foundation."
True! I must have misplaced my humerus this morning.
Alas we started down the MW/WM road a while ago.
[snip]
Yes, what the world needs is another horribly confusingly named
foundation.
After we establish the MediaWiki Foundation, we can start work on the MikiWedia Foundation and the WediaMiki Foundation. ;-)
[/snip]
Not to mention wikiproject Wikidemia (to which I confess), Mickeymedia, WikiaMidi, and Nintendo injury research foundation WiiMedika...
The 'Wiki Med' Foundation has lots of company... in theory, not in practice. I thought it was tongue in cheek until an actual registration was filed :). I now see that not everyone recognizes the potential for confusion. _______________________________________________
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Dear James,
My sincere congratulations for this important step, and I am really very happy with a Wikimedia Medicine. But the name "Wiki Med Foundation" - I find the choice for that name just strange (I saw the discussion on Meta too late). "Wikimedia Health", by the way, would be as great as "Wikimedia Medicine". I understood that there problems in the State of New York to use "medicine" in the title. So, "Wiki Health" could have been an alternative until recognition from the AffCom.
Kind regards Ziko
2012/12/29 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Yes so Wiki Med Foundation Inc incorporated Dec 19, 2012 and we had our first official board meeting Dec 26, 2012. We have had expressed interest from 57 people from more than a dozen countries with a large group of interested members from India. Our 9 board members are from 7 different countries.
Our first official event is being held January 7-11th at the University of California San Francisco in collaboration with Wikimedia Canada. We have been invited by the college of medicine to give a half dozen lectures on Wikipedia and Medicine and a few editing sessions where students and staff can try their hand at editing themselves. This is in preparation for an elective for 3rd and 4th year medical students which will resolve around contribution to Wikimedia projects hopefully to launch in the spring.
Of course we are a new corporation, however our membership is composed of people who have extensive experience within the Wikimedia movement. Once we have had a chance to prove ourselves over the next 6 month we will re approach the aff com / Wikimedia movement to determine if an official association is desired. Currently as stated by Bence we are not officially associated.
-- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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Hi,
I think the thematic organizations are good for the movement. Could the naming of the affiliated thematic organizations be primary based on the Wikipedia Portal namespaces (from all the Wikipedia's in different languages)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Portals
With this "logic" the Wiki Med could be "Wikimedia Health".
- Teemu
On 28.12.2012, at 19.29, "Ziko van Dijk" <vandijk@wmnederland.nlmailto:vandijk@wmnederland.nl> wrote:
Dear James,
My sincere congratulations for this important step, and I am really very happy with a Wikimedia Medicine. But the name "Wiki Med Foundation" - I find the choice for that name just strange (I saw the discussion on Meta too late). "Wikimedia Health", by the way, would be as great as "Wikimedia Medicine". I understood that there problems in the State of New York to use "medicine" in the title. So, "Wiki Health" could have been an alternative until recognition from the AffCom.
Kind regards Ziko
2012/12/29 James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.commailto:jmh649@gmail.com>: Yes so Wiki Med Foundation Inc incorporated Dec 19, 2012 and we had our first official board meeting Dec 26, 2012. We have had expressed interest from 57 people from more than a dozen countries with a large group of interested members from India. Our 9 board members are from 7 different countries.
Our first official event is being held January 7-11th at the University of California San Francisco in collaboration with Wikimedia Canada. We have been invited by the college of medicine to give a half dozen lectures on Wikipedia and Medicine and a few editing sessions where students and staff can try their hand at editing themselves. This is in preparation for an elective for 3rd and 4th year medical students which will resolve around contribution to Wikimedia projects hopefully to launch in the spring.
Of course we are a new corporation, however our membership is composed of people who have extensive experience within the Wikimedia movement. Once we have had a chance to prove ourselves over the next 6 month we will re approach the aff com / Wikimedia movement to determine if an official association is desired. Currently as stated by Bence we are not officially associated.
-- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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Leinonen Teemu, 29/12/2012 15:20:
Hi,
I think the thematic organizations are good for the movement. Could the naming of the affiliated thematic organizations be primary based on the Wikipedia Portal namespaces (from all the Wikipedia's in different languages)?
See https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Wikimedia_Thematic_Organizations&diff=prev&oldid=4922772 for a similar provocation I made...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Portals
With this "logic" the Wiki Med could be "Wikimedia Health".
The portal is not called "Wikimedia" though. :-)
Nemo
I am not affiliated with Wiki Med. However as an American, "Health" to my ear means scammy quacky bullshit that wants to pretend it is medicine for the $$$. There are real reasons NY does not let an organization use the title "Medicine" without approval from the medical board. And all those reasons use the title "Health" or "Healing" instead. I imagine the members of an organization like Wiki Med are more than normally aware of this and would be more than normally distressed to be associated with this. After all, the majority of Wikipedian medical editors seem dedicate a good portion of their time to keeping the scammy quacky bullshit out of the medical articles.
Birgitte SB
On Dec 29, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leinonen@aalto.fi wrote:
Hi,
I think the thematic organizations are good for the movement. Could the naming of the affiliated thematic organizations be primary based on the Wikipedia Portal namespaces (from all the Wikipedia's in different languages)?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Portals
With this "logic" the Wiki Med could be "Wikimedia Health".
- Teemu
On 28.12.2012, at 19.29, "Ziko van Dijk" <vandijk@wmnederland.nlmailto:vandijk@wmnederland.nl> wrote:
Dear James,
My sincere congratulations for this important step, and I am really very happy with a Wikimedia Medicine. But the name "Wiki Med Foundation" - I find the choice for that name just strange (I saw the discussion on Meta too late). "Wikimedia Health", by the way, would be as great as "Wikimedia Medicine". I understood that there problems in the State of New York to use "medicine" in the title. So, "Wiki Health" could have been an alternative until recognition from the AffCom.
Kind regards Ziko
2012/12/29 James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.commailto:jmh649@gmail.com>: Yes so Wiki Med Foundation Inc incorporated Dec 19, 2012 and we had our first official board meeting Dec 26, 2012. We have had expressed interest from 57 people from more than a dozen countries with a large group of interested members from India. Our 9 board members are from 7 different countries.
Our first official event is being held January 7-11th at the University of California San Francisco in collaboration with Wikimedia Canada. We have been invited by the college of medicine to give a half dozen lectures on Wikipedia and Medicine and a few editing sessions where students and staff can try their hand at editing themselves. This is in preparation for an elective for 3rd and 4th year medical students which will resolve around contribution to Wikimedia projects hopefully to launch in the spring.
Of course we are a new corporation, however our membership is composed of people who have extensive experience within the Wikimedia movement. Once we have had a chance to prove ourselves over the next 6 month we will re approach the aff com / Wikimedia movement to determine if an official association is desired. Currently as stated by Bence we are not officially associated.
-- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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On 29.12.2012, at 9.35, "Birgitte_sb@yahoo.com" Birgitte_sb@yahoo.com wrote:
I am not affiliated with Wiki Med. However as an American, "Health" to my ear means scammy quacky bullshit that wants to pretend it is medicine for the $$$.
OK. I am sure in the US the World *Health* Organization is also seen by many as "scammy quacky bullshit that wants to pretend it is medicine for the $$$". :-)
In other places the WHO is the international organization that is concerned with public *health*.
-Teemu
On Dec 29, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Leinonen Teemu teemu.leinonen@aalto.fi wrote:
On 29.12.2012, at 9.35, "Birgitte_sb@yahoo.com" Birgitte_sb@yahoo.com wrote:
I am not affiliated with Wiki Med. However as an American, "Health" to my ear means scammy quacky bullshit that wants to pretend it is medicine for the $$$.
OK. I am sure in the US the World *Health* Organization is also seen by many as "scammy quacky bullshit that wants to pretend it is medicine for the $$$". :-)
In other places the WHO is the international organization that is concerned with public *health*.
-Teemu
Of course WHO, NIMH, HHS, etc aren't seen that way (not that they are often spelled out). Older established organizations that predate the rise in popularity of chiropractors, anti-vaccination, and non-traditional healing are seen however their history warrants. New organizations without a history are evaluated somewhat differently.
I don't support the incorporation as "Wiki Med" myself. I only thought to explain what roadblocks there might be to pushing the organization to rename as "Wiki Health" instead, since many here might not be familiar with the local connotations. Take it, snark over it, or leave it, but I imagine that I have a better idea of how this would be perceived in the US than you do.
Birgitte SB
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