User:HalanTul from the Sakha Wikipedia asked me to ask about this here.
The writers of the Sakha Wikipedia want to add icons to "share in Facebook/Twitter/etc" to some articles to promote the project, but they are concerned about the legal and ideological implications of such a move: Doesn't putting the logo of a commercial company right in the article violate the no-advertising principle?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
On 02/07/2011 10:21 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
User:HalanTul from the Sakha Wikipedia asked me to ask about this here.
The writers of the Sakha Wikipedia want to add icons to "share in Facebook/Twitter/etc" to some articles to promote the project, but they are concerned about the legal and ideological implications of such a move: Doesn't putting the logo of a commercial company right in the article violate the no-advertising principle?
It does (imho). We don't want to support non-free projects like Facebook/Twitter. (An identi.ca link would be much better :))
You could write a piece of Javascript that displays those icons and add it as a Gadget. Only useful to logged-in users, though.
-- Tobias
On 07/02/2011, at 20:21, "Amir E. Aharoni" amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
User:HalanTul from the Sakha Wikipedia asked me to ask about this here.
The writers of the Sakha Wikipedia want to add icons to "share in Facebook/Twitter/etc" to some articles to promote the project, but they are concerned about the legal and ideological implications of such a move: Doesn't putting the logo of a commercial company right in the article violate the no-advertising principle?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
Wikinews has used these kinds of buttons for quite a while. They are placed in a "share this" box at the bottom of every article. See, for example, http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Egyptian_president_will_not_seek_re-election_in_...
For a while equivalent buttons were also active on Commons but they were turned off as it was unclear they had community support. I'm not aware of any Wikipedia edition that has used them though.
-Liam
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Wikinews has used these kinds of buttons for quite a while. They are placed in a "share this" box at the bottom of every article. See, for example, http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Egyptian_president_will_not_seek_re-election_in_...
For a while equivalent buttons were also active on Commons but they were turned off as it was unclear they had community support. I'm not aware of any Wikipedia edition that has used them though.
-Liam
But not every lang versions of Wikinews
I think, like church of emacs, that identi.ca will be better + other cc-by (not nc not nd) media.
przykuta
2011/2/7 Przykuta przykuta@o2.pl
Wikinews has used these kinds of buttons for quite a while. They are
placed in a "share this" box at the bottom of every article. See, for example, http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Egyptian_president_will_not_seek_re-election_in_...
For a while equivalent buttons were also active on Commons but they were
turned off as it was unclear they had community support. I'm not aware of any Wikipedia edition that has used them though.
-Liam
But not every lang versions of Wikinews
I think, like church of emacs, that identi.ca will be better + other cc-by (not nc not nd) media.
przykuta
It will be better ideologically, and it will also be pointless, as no-one outside the geek squad (that's us & co) know what it is or use it. The goal of Twitter & Facebook sharing would be to advertise the content to the public, and the effect would be extremely limited if we would only allow identi.ca sharing. Like it or not, if we want to "advertise" the projects in such a way, allowing Facebook and Twitter (as well as identi.ca of course) is really the only sensible thing to do.
2011/2/7 Jon Harald Søby jhsoby@gmail.com:
It will be better ideologically, and it will also be pointless, as no-one outside the geek squad (that's us & co) know what it is or use it. The goal of Twitter & Facebook sharing would be to advertise the content to the public, and the effect would be extremely limited if we would only allow identi.ca sharing. Like it or not, if we want to "advertise" the projects in such a way, allowing Facebook and Twitter (as well as identi.ca of course) is really the only sensible thing to do.
I can just see every single networking service on Earth being listed, for neutrality ... a bit like the Special:BookSources page that comes up when you click on an ISBN.
This sort of thing would best be implemented as a gadget, which users can then choose to switch on with their chosen selection of places to post to.
We would need to make sure there were no privacy issues. Users can of course choose to reveal anything they like to Facebook - but is there anything we would need to take care not to reveal inadvertently? Is there a way not to accidentally link their WP username to their Facebook real name, for instance?
- d.
On 7 February 2011 12:13, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
This sort of thing would best be implemented as a gadget, which users can then choose to switch on with their chosen selection of places to post to.
This is the best approach, I think. Or, once out of testing, turn it on by default with *no* services populated and have a little link to turn it off / add services as people see fit.
We would need to make sure there were no privacy issues. Users can of course choose to reveal anything they like to Facebook - but is there anything we would need to take care not to reveal inadvertently? Is there a way not to accidentally link their WP username to their Facebook real name, for instance?
Unless we take an active step to send out user details, or make it possible to share diffs (which seems unlikely), the only practical way to make such a link would be by sharing a "user-specific" page, like your own talkpage. This seems quite an unlikely thing for someone to want to do, but a plausible accident - so it would seem reasonable to code the sharing function to only share things in the main & image namespaces (and perhaps portals?) - traditional user-facing content.
(An elegant trick would be to have the "share" function for images resolve to the Commons page rather than the local one, where appropriate.)
If you're interested in borrowing the Wikinews "share" links, the template in question is:
http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Template:Social_bookmarks
-Jon
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 02:31, Liam Wyatt liamwyatt@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/02/2011, at 20:21, "Amir E. Aharoni" amir.aharoni@mail.huji.ac.il wrote:
User:HalanTul from the Sakha Wikipedia asked me to ask about this here.
The writers of the Sakha Wikipedia want to add icons to "share in Facebook/Twitter/etc" to some articles to promote the project, but they are concerned about the legal and ideological implications of such a move: Doesn't putting the logo of a commercial company right in the article violate the no-advertising principle?
-- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com "We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace." - T. Moore
Wikinews has used these kinds of buttons for quite a while. They are placed in a "share this" box at the bottom of every article. See, for example, http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Egyptian_president_will_not_seek_re-election_in_...
For a while equivalent buttons were also active on Commons but they were turned off as it was unclear they had community support. I'm not aware of any Wikipedia edition that has used them though.
-Liam
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On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Jon Davis wiki@konsoletek.com wrote:
If you're interested in borrowing the Wikinews "share" links, the template
in question is:
strategy.wikimedia.org did basically the same thing on proposals as well.
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 10:49 PM, Steven Walling steven.walling@gmail.comwrote:
On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Jon Davis wiki@konsoletek.com wrote:
If you're interested in borrowing the Wikinews "share" links, the template
in question is:
strategy.wikimedia.org did basically the same thing on proposals as well.
As did the Fundraiser Thank you page. Albeit with a more limited set of options than others, but it worked great.
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Thank_You/en
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Template:Share_this
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