Having thought about the very divisive image filter discussions here, on de:WP, Meta, and elsewhere, including the August referendum and the more recent editor poll in the German Wikipedia, I would like to draw the Board's and other editors' attention to some fundamental differences between the German and English Wikipedias, which may explain some of the feelings and differences in attitudes we have observed.
1. The German Wikipedia mainly serves the German language area, which is a geographically contiguous and culturally fairly homogeneous area.
2. The English Wikipedia, in contrast, serves such disparate and culturally diverse regions as North America, Western Europe, parts of South and East Asia, Australia, and parts of Africa. As the biggest and most developed Wikipedia, it also covers much of the rest of the world where English is taught as a second language.
3. Looking at de:WP and en:WP, my feeling is that the use of illustrations in the German Wikipedia is generally more restrained, and the presentation more scholarly than in the English Wikipedia, including the controversial topic areas that were the subject of the Harris study.
4. To give an example: while the English article on the sexual practice of fisting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisting%C2%A0includes a real-life photo of anal fisting, the German article http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fisting%C2%A0does not; its second image shows a glove, with a caption related to health issues. The German article contains significantly more information on health risks and potential long-term medical consequences of the practice than the English one. The English article, in contrast, contains information on notable porn performers, information which is entirely lacking in the German article. My impression, from reading several articles in this topic area in both projects, is that this is quite a representative example, illustrating fundamental differences in approach between the German and English Wikipedias, with the German Wikipedia generally aspiring to a more high-brow, rather than populist, approach.
5. To give another example, the famous autofellatio image included in the English Wikipedia, often discussed controversially in en:WP, is nowhere to be found in the German Wikipedia; the German autofellatio article http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Autofellatio&redirect=no%C2%A0... a redirect to the article on fellatio, which covers the topic of autofellatio in three sentences. The dedicated English article on autofellatio http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autofellatio%C2%A0in contrast runs to more than 500 words, with about half of it devoted to popular culture references.
6. In general, I feel that both the textual content and choice of illustrations in the German articles are not a significant challenge to German cultural expectations. Again, it's important to note that the German community has a much easier job here, as its target audience is fairly homogeneous, and in addition probably represents one of the sexually most open-minded cultures on the planet. If we combine this fact with the observation of the generally more restrained nature of the illustrations used in the German Wikipedia, I would hazard a guess that the size of the German-language adult demographic that would want to use a personal image filter while viewing the German Wikipedia is minute. I see no major concerns with German-speaking minors either.
7. In the English Wikipedia, on the other hand, we find far more explicit illustrations, a greater focus on pornography and Western popular culture, coupled with an extremely diverse target audience that includes some of the most sexually conservative cultures on the planet. These two elements work against each other, creating a vastly larger demographic potentially interested in a personal image filter.
8. It is important that there is a mutual appreciation of these basic differences.
9. I think editors in the German community have felt judged by people who don't properly understand their culture (probably not entirely without justification), and who don't appreciate that they are trying to do a responsible job, in line with the expectations of their target audience. In general, I would argue that they are successful in that endeavour.
10. At the same time, I feel that some editors from the German community have lacked a feel for how much more culturally diverse the target audience of the English Wikipedia (as well as Commons) is, in what respects editorial practice in the English Wikipedia differs from that applied in the German one, and why editors in the English and some other Wikipedia communities may feel more positive about the idea of a personal image filter than they do, as reflected in the referendum results. In general, the accusation most often made by German editors against editors from the US or UK is the one of personal prudishness (probably quite undeserved in many cases).
11. My suggestion to the Board would be to abandon the idea of the personal image filter for the German Wikipedia – I don't believe it is really needed, and the German community does not want it – but to pursue it vigorously for other projects, including in particular the English Wikipedia and Commons, and taking note of any regional variation in the referendum results.
12. Observations on other Wikipedias and projects are welcome.
Best, Andreas
On 10/13/2011 8:43 PM, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
My impression, from reading several articles in this topic area in both projects, is that this is quite a representative example, illustrating fundamental differences in approach between the German and English Wikipedias, with the German Wikipedia generally aspiring to a more high-brow, rather than populist, approach.
It's worth adding that so many people from German-speaking culture have good English skills, including virtually all of those who are interested in pursuing the less scholarly presentation of information, that it allows the English Wikipedia to serve as a release valve where this might otherwise create greater divisions in the German Wikipedia's philosophy of creating an encyclopedia. Going beyond the issue of images, this manifests itself in their rather different perspectives on inclusion/deletion and notability.
In all respects, this was a very insightful analysis of the situation. It's interesting to consider some of the unexpected tradeoffs involved in taking different approaches to making an encyclopedia.
--Michael Snow
The only thing I would like to see the WMF "pursue vigorously" is the agreed mission and values. http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Values http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Mission_statement
The image filter "issue" can only be considered tangential to the mission. In comparison, "in perpetuity" is an explicit part of the mission and has no real meaning apart from vague hand waiving about how important it is, I strongly believe there out to be a long term trust fund with a 100 year view to ensure this is delivered.
It would be delightful to see Sue and the WMF Board spend as much time blogging and talking about issues fundamental to the mission rather than forcing the community to argue about something that can be achieved by organizations and tools away from the Foundation and without using our donated charitable monies in a way that is not clearly accountable against the declared charitable purpose.
Cheers, Fae
Hi,
I believe that most points are valid, but I disagree with item no. 11.
The first part has already been mentioned in the thread following Ting Chen's letter with a statement that the board intends to make this a visible feature in all Wikimedia projects, and when people probed about it, I didn't see Sue (or anyone else) indicating that the Board wants to make an exception for projects who reject the idea of filters in their projects.
And the second part: there's a truckload of other issues I'd rather see tackled vigorously instead of spending community time and money on something like a filter mechanism that is of highly dubious value. In fact, I don't believe it helps our mission at all.
Am 14.10.2011 05:43, schrieb Andreas Kolbe:
- My suggestion to the Board would be to abandon the idea of the personal image filter for the German Wikipedia – I don't believe it is really needed, and the German community does not want it – but to pursue it vigorously for other projects, including in particular the English Wikipedia and Commons, and taking note of any regional variation in the referendum results.
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