"We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on Wikimedia projects. *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's the first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM and others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone related to this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
Thank you.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to notify users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they click on the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy aspect here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il :
"We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on Wikimedia projects. *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's the first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM and others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone related to this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
Thank you.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
Mardetanha
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to notify users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they click on the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy aspect here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> :
"We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on Wikimedia projects. *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's the first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM and others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone related
to
this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
Thank you.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hi Itzik,
We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects. We linked to the Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to that if they wanted to read it.
Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1]. It now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
Best,
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
Mardetanha
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com wrote:
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to notify users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they click
on
the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy aspect here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> :
"We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on Wikimedia projects. *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's
the
first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM and others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone related
to
this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
Thank you.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
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This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where Meta admins and community are more likely to see them. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
-Pete
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley pearley@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik,
We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects. We linked to the Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to that if they wanted to read it.
Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1]. It now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
Best,
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
Mardetanha
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com
wrote:
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
notify
users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
click
on
the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
aspect
here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> :
"We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on Wikimedia projects. *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's
the
first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
and
others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
related
to
this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
Thank you.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
the
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Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website (where the privacy doc is hosted) still problematic, as the page also include bold and many links to uses their (commercial) services. This is totally not ok from my POV. Better to host the privacy doc on Wiki (or a different version), and to mention there that we are using 3rd party system.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
-Pete
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley pearley@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik,
We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects. We linked to
the
Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to that if they wanted to read it.
Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1]. It now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
Best,
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
Mardetanha
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com
wrote:
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
notify
users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
click
on
the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
aspect
here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> :
"We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment
on
Wikimedia projects. *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
that's
the
first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
and
others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
their
website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
related
to
this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
Thank you.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
in
the
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It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the company, for various reasons. Kind regards Ziko
2015-11-07 22:36 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel itzik@wikimedia.org.il:
Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website (where the privacy doc is hosted) still problematic, as the page also include bold and many links to uses their (commercial) services. This is totally not ok from my POV. Better to host the privacy doc on Wiki (or a different version), and to mention there that we are using 3rd party system.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
-Pete
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley pearley@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik,
We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects. We linked to
the
Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to that if they wanted to read it.
Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1]. It now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
Best,
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
Mardetanha
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com
wrote:
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
notify
users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
click
on
the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
aspect
here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> :
"We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment
on
Wikimedia projects. *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
that's
the
first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
and
others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
their
website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
related
to
this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
Thank you.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share
in
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On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the company, for various reasons.
Ziko,
This is true, of course; but it does not address what is under discussion here.
It is also normal for partnership agreements to include specifications of how those mentions are carried out to meet certain objectives, while also avoiding problems for both parties. With nearly every one of my clients, this is specified by either an informal or a formal contract, prior to the announcement or commencement of the project.
Regrettably, it is also rather normal for the Wikimedia Foundation to pay insufficient attention to such arrangements. This leaves volunteers in the position of cleaning up the mess, and sometimes, of playing the role of the "bad guy" whose image suffers from telling somebody that they can't have what they want.
-Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 7, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the company, for various reasons.
Ziko,
This is true, of course; but it does not address what is under discussion here.
It is also normal for partnership agreements to include specifications of how those mentions are carried out to meet certain objectives, while also avoiding problems for both parties. With nearly every one of my clients, this is specified by either an informal or a formal contract, prior to the announcement or commencement of the project.
Regrettably, it is also rather normal for the Wikimedia Foundation to pay insufficient attention to such arrangements. This leaves volunteers in the position of cleaning up the mess, and sometimes, of playing the role of the "bad guy" whose image suffers from telling somebody that they can't have what they want.
since when wikipedia needs to use some arbitrary 3rd party company to conduct a simple survey? i'd consider it a core competency of a social website like wikipedia to allow finding out the opinion and a consensus of contributors and readers, anonymous and not anonymous.
rupert
Ziko, I agree. But we are using Qualtrics since 2011, and we never had a link to their website in such way. What has changed?
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On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Ziko van Dijk zvandijk@gmail.com wrote:
It's normal, when you hire a company for a survey, you mention the company, for various reasons. Kind regards Ziko
2015-11-07 22:36 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il>:
Thank you, I responded also there. I found the link to their full website (where the privacy doc is hosted) still problematic, as the page also include bold and many links to uses their (commercial) services. This is totally not ok from my POV. Better to host the privacy doc on Wiki (or a different version), and to mention there that we are using 3rd party
system.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment!
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com
wrote:
This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
-Pete
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley pearley@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik,
We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when
a
link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects. We linked to
the
Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
to
that if they wanted to read it.
Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion
[1]. It
now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
Best,
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha <mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com
wrote:
it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
Mardetanha
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com
wrote:
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
notify
users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
click
on
the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
aspect
here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> :
> "We invite you to participate in a survey about online
harassment
on
> Wikimedia projects. > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"* > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
that's
the
> first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
GLAM
and
> others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising. > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
their
> website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
related
to > this decision can give more information about the idea behind
it.
> > Thank you. > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri* > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share
in
the
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Some thoughts: Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice banner.
I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ (https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)
To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used, especially in central noticed.
It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.
I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other question...
Best, :-)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800 From: peteforsyth@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
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-Pete
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley pearley@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik,
We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects. We linked to the Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access to that if they wanted to read it.
Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1]. It now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
Best,
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
Mardetanha
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com
wrote:
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
notify
users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
click
on
the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
aspect
here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> :
"We invite you to participate in a survey about online harassment on Wikimedia projects. *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but that's
the
first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in GLAM
and
others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to their website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
related
to
this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
Thank you.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in
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E:QuickSurvey is currently under development by the WMF for this.
On 8 November 2015 at 18:52, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-wiki@live.com
wrote:
Some thoughts: Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice banner.
I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ ( https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)
To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used, especially in central noticed.
It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.
I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other question...
Best, :-)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800 From: peteforsyth@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
-Pete
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley pearley@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik,
We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects. We linked to
the
Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
to
that if they wanted to read it.
Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].
It
now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
Best,
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
Mardetanha
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com
wrote:
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
notify
users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
click
on
the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
aspect
here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> :
"We invite you to participate in a survey about online
harassment on
Wikimedia projects. *Survey powered by Qualtrics"*
It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
that's
the
first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
GLAM
and
others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising.
But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
their
website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
related
to
this decision can give more information about the idea behind it.
Thank you.
*Regards,Itzik Edri* Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share in
the
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Why not using a existing survey tool like limesurvey?
I am wondering if we need all this surveys...
From: p858snake@gmail.com Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 19:31:43 +1000 To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
E:QuickSurvey is currently under development by the WMF for this.
On 8 November 2015 at 18:52, Steinsplitter Wiki <steinsplitter-wiki@live.com
wrote:
Some thoughts: Pete, Thanks for bringing this up here and taking action on meta. I was concerned seeing the link to a commercial company in the central notice banner.
I am wondering why the wmf can't set up a own survey. For example using https://www.limesurvey.org/en/ ( https://www.limesurvey.org/en/about-limesurvey/license)
To protect users privacy third party services shouldn't be used, especially in central noticed.
It would be worth knowing if the wmf needs to pay for that survey stuff.
I am also wondering what's the benefit of this survey, but that's a other question...
Best, :-)
Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:09:06 -0800 From: peteforsyth@gmail.com To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Advertising in Central notice?
This is under discussion on Meta Wiki, and I made some changes this morning. Please be sure any significant comments are put on-wiki, where Meta admins and community are more likely to see them.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
-Pete
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 8:02 AM, Patrick Earley pearley@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi Itzik,
We placed that note as it is standard practice to let users know when a link will be taking them outside the Wikimedia projects. We linked to
the
Qualtrics privacy statement, as we felt that users should have access
to
that if they wanted to read it.
Petefosyth has made some changes to it, based on this discussion [1].
It
now reads "Survey data handled by a third party".
Best,
[1]
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Meta:Requests_for_help_from_a_sysop_or_burea...
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 5:28 AM, Mardetanha mardetanha.wiki@gmail.com wrote:
it was strange for me too, we never did such thing before
Mardetanha
On Fri, Nov 6, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Bence Damokos bdamokos@gmail.com
wrote:
My first guess would be that the company is mentioned as a way to
notify
users that they will be sending data to an outside company if they
click
on
the link (but the text you quote is not that clear on the privacy
aspect
here).
Best regards, Bence
2015-11-06 12:33 GMT+01:00 Itzik - Wikimedia Israel < itzik@wikimedia.org.il> :
> "We invite you to participate in a survey about online
harassment on
> Wikimedia projects. > *Survey powered by Qualtrics"* > > It's not the the first survey runs through the Qualtrics, but
that's
the
> first time I see credit to them. We most of the time, even in
GLAM
and
> others partnerships trying to avoid as much as we can mentions > organizations names, as it can be consider to be advertising. > > But mention a company (that we even paid them), and linking to
their
> website? that's new and concern a bit. I'll be happy if someone
related
to > this decision can give more information about the idea behind it. > > Thank you. > > > > *Regards,Itzik Edri* > Chairperson, Wikimedia Israel > +972-(0)-54-5878078 | http://www.wikimedia.org.il > Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely
share in
the
> sum of all knowledge. That's our commitment! > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines > Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > Unsubscribe:
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