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James Heilman

22 Oct 2010 22 Oct '10

8:44 p.m.

Encyc. Dramatica seems too take pride in creating attack pages regarding Wikipedians. Of course they are exposing themselves to libel suits but looking at some of the rest of their site this seems to be the least of their worries with a great deal of racist content as well as underage pornography. Wondering if we have any measures available to deal with these attacks against Wikipedia? Or have others who have considered this issue feel that attempting anything would 1) be futile 2) just promote the creation / promotion of more such content. -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, B.Sc.

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M. Williamson

22 Oct 22 Oct

9 p.m.

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Whatever happened to freedom of speech? Encyclopedia Dramatica is a parody site. Plenty of people have tried to shut them down before, it's unlikely to ever happen (and in my opinion, should never happen). If they have an offensive article about you, trying to get rid of it will probably make it worse. 2010/10/22 James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Nathan

9:10 p.m.

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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:00 AM, M. Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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In almost any jurisdiction, freedom of speech has exceptions that include obscenity, defamation, certain types of hate speech, threats, etc. You can generally find all of those at ED; such speech isn't protected, nor should it be. Nathan

Fred Bauder

9:23 p.m.

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Steven Walling

10:23 p.m.

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People on ED are exactly the same as 4chan: they are in it for the lulz.[1] They will probably always write these attack pages/satire/whatever term you prefer. We're mostly pretty odd folk, so it's easy to make fun. But giving them attention of any kind is what they want most, since it gives them an opportunity for more mischief (and thus more lulz). In other words, don't feed. Steven Walling 1. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=lulz On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 8:23 AM, Fred Bauder <fredbaud(a)fairpoint.net> wrote:

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I don't think anyone has actually tried to shut them down, as anyone who could is familiar with parody. They are not immune to libel suits and there is reason to believe the queen bee lives in the UK. However, that said, it's a waste of time. They may, however, be more responsive to complaints than is generally believed. Fred _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Anirudh Bhati

23 Oct 23 Oct

1:11 a.m.

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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Unless they are exposing sensitive and private information (facts) about you or someone you know. Anirudh Bhati 00 91 9328712208 Skype: anirudhsbh

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theo10011

1:27 a.m.

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Like Steven said ED is in it for the lulz. So please don't feed the trolls (I know a few editors from en:wp that are on ED). In terms of legal standing, US has much less plaintiff-friendly Defamation laws than most European Countries, and most differ widely from state to state. I don't think you would have an easy case in any jurisdiction. Think of it along the lines Celebrity blogs, Probably congratulate those who have their own page on ED. LULZ abound. Regards Theo On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:41 AM, Anirudh Bhati <anirudhsbh(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com> wrote:

People on ED are exactly the same as 4chan: they are in it for the

lulz.[1]

They will probably always write these attack pages/satire/whatever term

you

prefer. We're mostly pretty odd folk, so it's easy to make fun. But

giving

them attention of any kind is what they want most, since it gives them an opportunity for more mischief (and thus more lulz). In other words, don't feed.

Unless they are exposing sensitive and private information (facts) about you or someone you know. Anirudh Bhati 00 91 9328712208 Skype: anirudhsbh

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Keegan Peterzell

12:58 p.m.

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In other words[1]. 1.http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nobody_cares On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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-- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan

Keegan Peterzell

1:08 p.m.

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I think I should clarify, I meant that nobody cares unless you make them care. Otherwise, nobody cares. On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 1:58 AM, Keegan Peterzell <keegan.wiki(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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In other words[1]. 1.http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Nobody_cares On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 11:23 AM, Steven Walling <steven.walling(a)gmail.com

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-- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan

Milos Rancic

3:53 p.m.

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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 17:00, M. Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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What I do worry is the fact that we are not interesting to them anymore. It looks that they've stopped with adding new content related to Wikipedia two or three years ago. Being uninteresting to satirists means that you are not important anymore.

Fred Bauder

6:34 p.m.

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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 17:00, M. Williamson <node.ue(a)gmail.com> wrote:

No, it just means that writing about us does not gain an advantage for their site. An encyclopedia should be boring. There should be nothing in it but old information everyone already knows. Much of the excitement we've generated is that we make "what everybody knows" available to everyone, a revolutionary change. Social power, expressed in terms of information, is well expressed in in the saying: They treat us like mushrooms... Fred

Austin Hair

22 Oct 22 Oct

9:18 p.m.

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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:44 PM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Well, Encyclopedia Dramatica is a special sort of case that seasoned veterans of the Internet recognize, and is probably best described as satire taken to (or even beyond) an extreme (a la 4chan). It may not always be appreciated, but ED editors generally aren't writing with malice, and if they are it's so absurd that nobody really gets hurt over it. Hell, I'm on ED, and I'm not filing a libel suit. If they violate local laws, that's up to those government agencies to enforce, but if Wikimedians were go go on a crusade against them I think you'd wind up with #2. Austin

Mike Dupont

23 Oct 23 Oct

1:11 a.m.

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On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 4:44 PM, James Heilman <jmh649(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Encyc. Dramatica seems too take pride in creating attack pages regarding Wikipedians. Of course they are exposing themselves to libel suits but

wow, now I have an excuse to finally look at this page! I did not look at the p0nr pages that were posted last time on this list, but this ED might be worth reading. Up till now, only 15 year old hyperactive kids talked about ED, but now it is serious business, it is on the WMFL! thanks, mike

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Anirudh Bhati
Austin Hair
Fred Bauder
James Heilman
Keegan Peterzell
M. Williamson
Mike Dupont
Milos Rancic
Nathan
Steven Walling
theo10011