I am unable to figure out what the big deal is with having fair use quotes and how it affects the Foundation. Quotes are quotes are quotes. No one is ever going to be able to sue us for quoting them. If it is from a copyrighted work, I should think that the material will gain more publicity from being quoted.
Also, this is an area that should be left up to the Wikiquote community. The communities determine, under their EDPs, how much fair use stuff they want. It is not for the Foundation or this mailing list to second guess them.
Geoffrey
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On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:58 PM, mike.lifeguard mike.lifeguard@gmail.com wrote:
I personally cannot imagine an US court accepting these number as "fair use" and I cannot see any educational use of these quotations legitimating an exception from our policy.
I'm afraid I don't understand how we reconcile the principle that WMF is supposed to provide freely-licensed content, and the Wikiquote project is apparently chock-full of so-called fair use. This is far worse than simply incorporating fair use media (which is not permitted on many projects for principled reasons). I can understand a Wikiquote containing quotes which have fallen out of copyright and I think such a project would be wonderful. But using fair use to compile quotes seems to me to be a bad idea regardless of how many there are. So whether a court would accept a fair use defence is rather immaterial to me - I am more concerned with the principle of having an entire article/page of solely fair use content. For a WMF project, this seems nonsensical.
Mike
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Exactly. While there is certainly merit in collecting free quotes (mostly from the public domain), it makes no sense that such blanket fair use would be seen as acceptable to the core mission of providing _free_ content.
We have a policy to limit fair use media, why not one for text?
-Chad
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As Jimbo has stated before,
If you beleive there is a legal issue ask Mike Godwin to investigate it.
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 9:41 PM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com wrote:
I am unable to figure out what the big deal is with having fair use quotes and how it affects the Foundation. Quotes are quotes are quotes. No one is ever going to be able to sue us for quoting them. If it is from a copyrighted work, I should think that the material will gain more publicity from being quoted.
Also, this is an area that should be left up to the Wikiquote community. The communities determine, under their EDPs, how much fair use stuff they want. It is not for the Foundation or this mailing list to second guess them.
Geoffrey
----- Original Message ---- From: Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 3:48:52 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikiquote
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:58 PM, mike.lifeguard mike.lifeguard@gmail.com wrote:
I personally cannot imagine an US court accepting these number as "fair use" and I cannot see any educational use of these quotations legitimating an exception from our policy.
I'm afraid I don't understand how we reconcile the principle that WMF is supposed to provide freely-licensed content, and the Wikiquote project is apparently chock-full of so-called fair use. This is far worse than simply incorporating fair use media (which is not permitted on many projects for principled reasons). I can understand a Wikiquote containing quotes which have fallen out of copyright and I think such a project would be wonderful. But using fair use to compile quotes seems to me to be a bad idea regardless of how many there are. So whether a court would accept a fair use defence is rather immaterial to me - I am more concerned with the principle of having an entire article/page of solely fair use content. For a WMF project, this seems nonsensical.
Mike
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Exactly. While there is certainly merit in collecting free quotes (mostly from the public domain), it makes no sense that such blanket fair use would be seen as acceptable to the core mission of providing _free_ content.
We have a policy to limit fair use media, why not one for text?
-Chad
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