Hello,
My name is Randy Wilson and I have been working at Wikijunior for the last year. Because many of you are probably not terribly familiar with Wikijunior, I would like to give you an overview of the project and also give my opinion about some of the recent conversation.
Wikijunior was launched by the Wikimedia Foundation in November of 2004. There were three original titles, Wikijunior Big Cats, Wikijunior The Solar System, and Wikijunior South America. In the three years since, Wikijunior grown a great deal. Currently there are more than twenty books in active development. The books include diverse topics including books about history, culture, language, science and mathematics. The books are illustrated with photographs and illustrations and contain interesting and valuable information appropriate for young people.
The project has adopted a formal mission statement "What is Wikijunior?" which highlights the core values of the project. The core values of Wikijunior are: kid friendliness, collaboration, fun, reliability and openness. The project also has defined a manual of style to help consistency. We have a structured method of creating new titles which is intended to encourage collaboration on new titles and continue to grow the project. We have developed an effective methodology for collectively creating books from modules and tracking the progress of each module.
Wikijunior has several books that are available in an html print version as well as a pdf download. We have at least one book that has been published as a print book and another that has been made into an ebook and a streaming video book. Several of our books have been named as "featured books" on Wikibooks.
While we have a lot to be proud of, there are a few areas where people express concern related to Wikijunior. The age-appropriateness of the books is spotty. Most of the books contain some modules (think chapters) with excellent age-appropriate content. However it is fair to say that many of the books have reading levels that are too high for the intended audience. The quality of the information is not always as good as it needs to be, there are too many factual errors and too much unsourced information to be a reliable resource to be used in schools. Some believe the new title policy restricts the growth of the project and turns off potential contributors. Still others believe that the wiki nature of Wikijunior makes it an unsuitable platform for educational content.
Unfortunately, the number of contributors and contributions has dropped to an alarming low over the past few months. Our ideal contributor would be someone with a background in children's education, or children working with adult assistance; so these are the kind of contributors we would like to reach out to. Private discussions with a few contributors have led me to believe that more primary educators would be willing to contribute and use Wikijunior except that the problems of vandalism and potentially incorrect content are difficult for them to get past. You see, here in the US a teacher could not only get fired for showing her class some of the things I've seen on a vandalized Wiki page, but could actually end up in jail. There is not a big problem with vandalism at Wikijunior and the Wikibooks admins are generally effective vandal fighters. Still, it has happened that there was a module vandalized with profanity stuck into the middle of a paragraph that stayed that way for more than four months.
The idea of creating a static site at Wikijunior.org has been discussed before. In fact there was an announcement some time ago that the board had decided to move forward and do just that. Some of that discussion is at http://en.wikibooks.org/w/index.php?title=Wikibooks:Staff_lounge&oldid=2... . Having a secondary static version would minimize the risk primary school teachers run of exposing their students to foul language, offensive content, and incorrect information. Here's one way that I think it could work effectively with a minimum of developer time:
1) Wikijunior.org would run Mediawiki software and have the import function enabled from Wikibooks. 2) Wikijunior.org would have a stripped down default skin with larger fonts and no sidebar as its default. (See for example: http://www.mono-project.com.) 3) Administrators could change their skin to make the editing tools visible. 4) All modules on Wikijunior.org would be editable by administrators only. 5) Book development would continue on Wikibooks and be open to anonymous edits as it is now. 6) When a module was ready, it would be transwikied to the Wikijunior.org site by an administrator. 7) Each module would have a "contributing" link that would link back to the Wikijunior development site on Wikibooks.
There is another potential side benefit of a static version. I think that a static online version would be a major step toward physical publication. The problem with production for print is that everything needs to come together at the right moment. A static site would be useful for "staging" a printable version piece by piece and allowing contributors to visualize the completed version, watching it grow as each module was vetted and moved over. The Solar System is an example of a book that is really close to being ready. Primarily it needs someone to go through and fix the many layout issues, select the content to be included and give it an overall narrative.
I could see Wikijunior.org growing into an outlet for free works from other projects. As long as the work is in keeping with Wikijunior's core values and is intended to be consumed by children, I think that it would be great to have other types of content. I think that material from other GFDL projects that is suitable for kids could be incorporated into a Wikijunior.org site fairly readily. For instance a selected set from the gallery at Commons:Featured pictures/Animals/Birds might be suitable. I didn't see much on Wikiversity and Wikieducator that seemed aimed at children though but perhaps someday soon. I don't think that a site at Wikijunior.org needs to be specifically for "books and magazines". I think it could certainly host podcasts, videos and other learning-oriented open-content media (in the future.)
In relation to networking Wikijunior, we definitely need to gain more mindshare among the open education community. I don't know how to get people to blog about Wikijunior. Cross links with related projects seems like a good idea to me. I would love to talk with anyone active in such an organization, or anyone who has an open-education blog.
So far, attempts at an English-language kids encyclopedia (Wikikids) haven't been terribly successful. I think that Wikijunior could offer to host one if Wikibookians didn't object. I can see us developing both a kids encyclopedia and a kids dictionary in the future. I personally don't see a problem with keeping it all under the same umbrella. But I think this would require discussion first.
I realize this has been a very long email, but I hope that it has given some of you who are unfamiliar with the project a better understanding of what Wikijunior was, is, and could be.
Thank you,
Randy Wilson, xixtas
--- Randy Wilson xixtas@gmail.com wrote:
Unfortunately, the number of contributors and contributions has dropped to an alarming low over the past few months. Our ideal contributor would be someone with a background in children's education, or children working with adult assistance; so these are the kind of contributors we would like to reach out to. Private discussions with a few contributors have led me to believe that more primary educators would be willing to contribute and use Wikijunior except that the problems of vandalism and potentially incorrect content are difficult for them to get past. You see, here in the US a teacher could not only get fired for showing her class some of the things I've seen on a vandalized Wiki page, but could actually end up in jail. There is not a big problem with vandalism at Wikijunior and the Wikibooks admins are generally effective vandal fighters. Still, it has happened that there was a module vandalized with profanity stuck into the middle of a paragraph that stayed that way for more than four months.
The new flagged versions feature in Beta on de.wikipedia should help mitigate the visible vandalism issue. But at the same time, the long delay between editing and seeing those edits in the top/displayed version of an article will naturally be off-putting to new contributors to lower traffic projects like WikiJunior.
The idea of creating a static site at Wikijunior.org has been discussed before. .... Here's one way that I think it could work effectively with a minimum of developer time:
- Wikijunior.org would run Mediawiki software and have the import
function enabled from Wikibooks. 2) Wikijunior.org would have a stripped down default skin with larger fonts and no sidebar as its default. (See for example: http://www.mono-project.com.) 3) Administrators could change their skin to make the editing tools visible. 4) All modules on Wikijunior.org would be editable by administrators only. 5) Book development would continue on Wikibooks and be open to anonymous edits as it is now. 6) When a module was ready, it would be transwikied to the Wikijunior.org site by an administrator. 7) Each module would have a "contributing" link that would link back to the Wikijunior development site on Wikibooks.
I've supported this idea for some time now. It makes a great deal of sense for WikiJunior. However, whether or not the foundation is the right ISP, I don't know. There might be legal implications, since, as you say, choosing a single version of a module/book and pointing teachers there is getting close to publishing in the 'might endanger Wikimedia's ISP protections' sense. But IANAL.
-- mav
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On 10/31/07, Daniel Mayer maveric149@yahoo.com wrote:
The new flagged versions feature in Beta on de.wikipedia
It isn't yet used anywhere on Wikimedia servers. A public beta with dummy content was scheduled to begin last week, but fundraiser-related tech work has been the top priority in the last few days, and will continue to remain so for another week or two at least.
On Oct 30, 2007 8:16 PM, Randy Wilson xixtas@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
My name is Randy Wilson and I have been working at Wikijunior for the last year. Because many of you are probably not terribly familiar with Wikijunior, I would like to give you an overview of the project and also give my opinion about some of the recent conversation.
Thanks for the report, Randy. I know I and others have wondered how Wikijunior has done the last few years; it's nice to know it's grown and hopefully your note will attract interest and people to help out.
Once the books are finished, a print on demand system like the Internet Archive uses (http://www.archive.org/texts/bookmobile.php) seems like a good way to print out copies for audiences of young children; maybe a partnership could be set up with IA to specially include these titles in their library of free works. It seems like there are also various education portals and sites where links to Wikijunior could be included to raise interest and name recognition; I'm not especially familiar with such education sites but maybe others are.
-- phoebe
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