There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board), I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU countries.
So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us: free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the level.
Milos Rancic, 29/05/2014 23:44:
animal rights are not that well protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU countries.
Surely they have some studies on what's their compliance with EU standards by now? Serbia is quite close to entering EU (if you forget Kosovo).
So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us: free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the level.
That's definitely the biggest concern. https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=6234463&oldid=5789546 As for moral considerations, if you're unsure, outsource them: have a partnership with the zoo only if you can find an animalist/environmentalist association willing to join the effort. If you manage, you have an achievement before even starting, i.e. an ally for future initiatives like WikiLovesMonuments or education or whatever (examples made with Italian WWF and Legambiente in mind; no idea of the situation in Serbia).
Nemo
Hi Milos,
I agree with Nemo that finding an additional non-zoo partner would be a good thing and that it's worth having a close look at the project with Sofia Zoo, which he linked in his post. Perhaps you could ask the applicants to review that project and to outline similarities and differences to theirs? I am available to review their application.
Daniel
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On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:12 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
Milos Rancic, 29/05/2014 23:44:
animal rights are not that well protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU countries.
Surely they have some studies on what's their compliance with EU standards by now? Serbia is quite close to entering EU (if you forget Kosovo).
So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us: free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the level.
That's definitely the biggest concern. https://meta.wikimedia.org/?diff=6234463&oldid=5789546 As for moral considerations, if you're unsure, outsource them: have a partnership with the zoo only if you can find an animalist/environmentalist association willing to join the effort. If you manage, you have an achievement before even starting, i.e. an ally for future initiatives like WikiLovesMonuments or education or whatever (examples made with Italian WWF and Legambiente in mind; no idea of the situation in Serbia).
Nemo
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Hi,
I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be interesting for you.
Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in Hungarian-only) here: http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1he...
in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out and our cooperation won't stop here :)
If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else then, for example botanical gardens :)
Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest and most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/...
Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of editors behind them.
Cheers, Balazs 2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com ezt írta:
There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board), I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU countries.
So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us: free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the level.
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That looks impressive, Balazs - thanks to the Hungarian community!
Daniel -- http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/en/institution/mitarbeiter/mietchen-da... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen/Publications http://okfn.org http://wikimedia.org
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Balázs Viczián balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu wrote:
Hi,
I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be interesting for you.
Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in Hungarian-only) here: http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1he...
in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out and our cooperation won't stop here :)
If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else then, for example botanical gardens :)
Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest and most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation: http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/...
Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of editors behind them.
Cheers, Balazs 2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com ezt írta:
There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board), I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU countries.
So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us: free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the level.
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Thanks for clarificatiom! I see that the rule is basically not to care about animal rights issues, which is fine with me. ("We don't know about the issues" in relation to this matter is equal to "we don't know that war kills".)
I won't go with environmentalist groups, as they are here either dilettantes or corrupted or both. But thanks Daniel, we'll contact you when they write application (at this moment, we just have their idea). On May 30, 2014 2:04 AM, "Daniel Mietchen" daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com wrote:
That looks impressive, Balazs - thanks to the Hungarian community!
Daniel
http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/en/institution/mitarbeiter/mietchen-da... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen/Publications http://okfn.org http://wikimedia.org
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Balázs Viczián balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu wrote:
Hi,
I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be interesting for you.
Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in Hungarian-only) here:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1he...
in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out
and
our cooperation won't stop here :)
If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else then, for example botanical gardens :)
Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest
and
most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/...
Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of editors behind them.
Cheers, Balazs 2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com ezt írta:
There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board), I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU countries.
So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us: free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the level.
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Thanks :)
We spent ~100k HUF on each. That is ~330 EUR or ~$450 per project.
Balazs
2014-05-30 2:04 GMT+02:00 Daniel Mietchen daniel.mietchen@googlemail.com:
That looks impressive, Balazs - thanks to the Hungarian community!
Daniel
http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/en/institution/mitarbeiter/mietchen-da... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Daniel_Mietchen/Publications http://okfn.org http://wikimedia.org
On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 12:42 AM, Balázs Viczián balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu wrote:
Hi,
I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be interesting for you.
Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in Hungarian-only) here:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1he...
in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out
and
our cooperation won't stop here :)
If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else then, for example botanical gardens :)
Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest
and
most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/...
Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of editors behind them.
Cheers, Balazs 2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com ezt írta:
There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board), I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU countries.
So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us: free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the level.
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Roger Bamkin has done some QR work with Sofaia zoo I think.
Roger Bamkin https://plus.google.com/u/0/115855705849960810419?prsrc=4 [image: Roger Bamkin's profile photo] https://plus.google.com/u/0/115855705849960810419?prsrc=4 victuallers@gmail.com
On 29 May 2014 23:42, Balázs Viczián balazs.viczian@wikimedia.hu wrote:
Hi,
I haven't heared any issues with animal treatment in Hungarian zoos (moreover the news I can recall reports continous improvement, like expanding getting renovated/modernised, etc.)
I have no idea about the Serbian ones or the rest of the world.
We've just completed a QR-project with a zoo in Hungary; it might be interesting for you.
Find the documentation (google translator needed as it is in Hungarian-only) here:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikip%C3%A9dia%3AMiskolc-m%C5%B1he...
in short: 80 articles were (mostly significantly) improved plus 34 new created (114 articles in total) and the same number of QR codes put out and our cooperation won't stop here :)
If you're concerned about animal treatment, think about something else then, for example botanical gardens :)
Also a QRpedia project, also recently completed, but not finished (as the cooperation will continue beyond mainenance) with the country's largest and most prestigeous botanical garden and also Hungarian-only documentation:
http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:N%C3%B6v%C3%A9nyek_m%C5%B1helye/...
Both were conducted by Wikipedia project groups thus both had a team of editors behind them.
Cheers, Balazs 2014.05.29. 23:45, "Milos Rancic" millosh@gmail.com ezt írta:
There is ongoing Microgrants project in Wikimedia Serbia. In brief, we asked people to give us ideas, so we could talk about them. There are some interesting ideas and a number of not so relevant.
We've got the offer to cooperate with one of the zoos from Serbia. At this moment of time, there is just their idea, nothing more precise.
Before I proceed with the application (give suggestion to WMRS Board), I want your input. In reality, I don't know that any zoo is perfect in relation to the treatment of animals. In reality, it's likely impossible to check that, as well as animal rights are not that well protected in Serbia like the case is in, let's say, in the most of EU countries.
So, I am interested in prevalent opinion. What's more important to us: free knowledge or not cooperating with an institution which likely has issues with the treatment of animals -- the question is just about the level.
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On 30 May 2014 16:29, Jon Davies jon.davies@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Roger Bamkin has done some QR work with Sofaia zoo I think.
No need to speculate, a full report is available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:PEG/Sofia_Zoo_and_Bulgarian_Wikipedians/Sofia_Zoo_Powered_by_Wikimedia/Report. It was a Bulgarian Wikipedian project with a WMF supporting grant of $3,600.
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