ilya haykinson wrote:
For what it's worth, it makes little sense for Wikipedia to use
Wikinews content beyond what's considered fair use. Wikinews is not an encyclopedia and tries to not have any encyclopedic articles, and the Wikipedia "current events" section is really short enough of a mention that it's fair use at worst and wholly original at best.
Please consider that fair use is not an option for some (a lot of?) Wikipedia's.
-Fruggo
Please consider that fair use is not an option for some (a lot of?) Wikipedia's.
One would think that all Wikipedias would be subject to the same set of copyright rules, since they're all operated out of Florida. I've never understood why people think that the language content is written in has any impact on the law such content is required to comply with....
Kelly
On 8/31/05, Kelly Martin kelly.lynn.martin@gmail.com wrote:
Please consider that fair use is not an option for some (a lot of?) Wikipedia's.
One would think that all Wikipedias would be subject to the same set of copyright rules, since they're all operated out of Florida. I've never understood why people think that the language content is written in has any impact on the law such content is required to comply with....
One should not because it can matter. Say you made an illegal death threat against someone in your city, but you did it by posting it to a web site hosted in some country where that's not illegal. Which law would apply to you? If you do something illegal in your city/country the law applies to you there in addition to any laws from the country which hosts the web site if it has agreements with your country. Same thing with copyright, the editors need to abide by their laws, or there may consequences in their country, and they need to abide by the laws in Florida, USA or there may be consequeces for at least the Foundation, if not the editor.
Dori
One should not because it can matter. Say you made an illegal death threat against someone in your city, but you did it by posting it to a web site hosted in some country where that's not illegal. Which law would apply to you? If you do something illegal in your city/country the law applies to you there in addition to any laws from the country which hosts the web site if it has agreements with your country. Same thing with copyright, the editors need to abide by their laws, or there may consequences in their country, and they need to abide by the laws in Florida, USA or there may be consequeces for at least the Foundation, if not the editor. Dori
Not to mention avoiding fair use materials made German DVD edition much easier to make.
Kelly Martin wrote:
One would think that all Wikipedias would be subject to the same set of copyright rules, since they're all operated out of Florida. I've never understood why people think that the language content is written in has any impact on the law such content is required to comply with....
In theory there is no difference between theory and practice, but in practice there is.
At the Swedish (language) Wikipedia village pump, if people decide to meet up to discuss stories where they have received complaints for copyright violations, they are likely to meet in Stockholm and the complaints (if any) are likely to have originated from media companies in the same town. Both the media companies and the wikipedians are subject to the laws of Sweden (with very few exceptions), and if a conflict should escalate they will meet in a court of law in Sweden. It doesn't really matter if they use a computer made in Taiwan or a server hosted in Florida. Courts sentence people, not servers.
Now, because the entire Wikipedia community is so prudent, this whole scenario is very unlikely. Copyright violations of this kind are settled by removing the contents, and it is rare that any rights holder would go to court to win damages.
Hi,
Kelly Martin schrieb am 09/01/2005 12:30 AM:
One would think that all Wikipedias would be subject to the same set of copyright rules, since they're all operated out of Florida. I've never understood why people think that the language content is written in has any impact on the law such content is required to comply with....
a) Please note, that there are Servers in Europe and Asia too. b) Perhaps it's dumb, but it's reality. If you write a text in german (to a german audience) in Wikipedia, german courts will judge you - even if it's done at a server in Florida. Perhaps the court is not able to force the server to put down the text, but it's able to judge you. If you are not in germany, that should be no big problem - but as german person or visiting germany, you will get problems. This happened before. And I strongly expect, that this is the case not only in germany.
Bye, avatar.
b) Perhaps it's dumb, but it's reality. If you write a text in german (to a german audience) in Wikipedia, german courts will judge you - even if it's done at a server in Florida. Perhaps the court is not able to force the server to put down the text, but it's able to judge you. If you are not in germany, that should be no big problem - but as german person or visiting germany, you will get problems. This happened before. And I strongly expect, that this is the case not only in germany. Bye, avatar.
Why would writing text in German imply that it's written for a German audience and make the German courts able to judge you? It's not as if there aren't other German-speaking countries...
2005/9/4, Pawe³ Dembowski fallout@lexx.eu.org:
Why would writing text in German imply that it's written for a German audience and make the German courts able to judge you? It's not as if there aren't other German-speaking countries...
Just my guess - it's all about the IP. If you wrote something from Poland, you'll be judged in Poland. Well, other countries might ask for you extradiction - but we're going a bit off topic now. ~~~~
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