On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 David Gerard wrote:
On 24/08/07, Robert Brockway robert@timetraveller.org wrote:
Morning. The Australian foreign minister, Mr Alexander Downer, has been quoted as stating that Wikipedia is "anti-government".
It's fairly clear he was floundering and didn't have a clue.
In my opinion the real problem is the question made by the journalist. It is not understandable and definitively incorrect. I would have replied saying that the question was not understandable, but politicians need to be more polite and diplomatic (although he said that there was some problems in the question, even if in a polite way.
I can not do anything else than agree with his point that if anybody could edit Wikipedia, than why reclaim if a person inside a governmental agency has done it.
Of course there is the problem of self-promotion, but this is a problem that can occur in any other fields.
There is then the problem if it is acceptable that people are paid with citizen money to edit on wikipedia (but this is a problem that is completely outside wikipedia).
I would not consider very serious his expression "a bit anti-government.". First of all we would need to understand what he means with this. Perhaps he is used that statements are written as written by government, and that somebody could change the government words is strange to him.
But one point he rose is rather interesting: "But I know they have editorial control"
While at the beginning of Wikipedia, if I have understood correctly, it was thought that the errors would be correct by the next editors, it was later created an organized system of checking. Could it be considered an editorial control, or at least an "internal" control? And how this relate to the thought at the beginning that everybody should be free to write?
AnyFile
On 25/08/07, Any File anysomefile@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 David Gerard wrote:
On 24/08/07, Robert Brockway robert@timetraveller.org wrote:
Morning. The Australian foreign minister, Mr Alexander Downer, has been quoted as stating that Wikipedia is "anti-government".
It's fairly clear he was floundering and didn't have a clue.
In my opinion the real problem is the question made by the journalist. It is not understandable and definitively incorrect. I would have replied saying that the question was not understandable, but politicians need to be more polite and diplomatic (although he said that there was some problems in the question, even if in a polite way.
Alexander Downer is well-known for being good when he's been briefed, but for not being good talking unprepared; his response was in line with this. You can be quite sure that if he were asked the same question today he'd do a lot better.
I'm not sure if any Australian Wikimedians have been in touch with his office yet, I hope they have.
-d.
On 8/25/07, Any File anysomefile@gmail.com wrote:
But one point he rose is rather interesting: "But I know they have editorial control"
This is not merely interesting, but legally significant.
While at the beginning of Wikipedia, if I have understood correctly, it was thought that the errors would be correct by the next editors, it was later created an organized system of checking. Could it be considered an editorial control, or at least an "internal" control? And how this relate to the thought at the beginning that everybody should be free to write?
If there is anything about this that merits clarification by our people, it is this. There would be serious legal repercussions if a court of law held that there was an organ of the foundation or some other body that held formal editorial content over the wikipedia corpus (if you will forgive the endmootoftrollsism).
The GFDL will eternally guard that there is no possibility of editorial usurpation in the absolute (not that I am specifically a fan of the GFDL).
-- Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]
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