Where I come from we shoot them. (The stalker that is, not the officer).
-Dan
On Jun 9, 2008, at 9:13 PM, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
Well, I don't know if I have mentioned this before
but there are
certain civil remedies that can be taken. First, when legal action
is filed, at least in California, you can have a peace officer serve
the summons. A officer at the door tends to make stalkers lose their
belief of invincibility. In addition, restraining orders can be
enforced by the person holding the order. It is a matter of filing a
contempt motion and is a pain, but it is effective.
----- Original Message ----
From: Durova <nadezhda.durova(a)gmail.com>
To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 5:07:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Stalking Article
Even if you know who it is, even if you know where they are, if they
haven't crossed the line into clearly criminal conduct then getting
law enforcement to stop them may be difficult or impossible. You can
try a restraining order in some cases, or suing them, but that's not
always useful either.
----
Oh, it goes beyond that. Even if the behavior has clearly crossed
the line
into criminal conduct then getting law enforcement to stop them is
difficult
to impossible. In my lifetime I have stood in front of police
officers,
restraining order in hand, and pointed to the precise lines that the
perp
(who was standing ten feet away) was violating at that very moment
before
the officers' eyes, and the officers refused to take the perp into
custody.
That happened not once but repeatedly with different officers. And
their
chain of command supported them. I have witnessed police refuse to
take a
report for a direct death threat even when a restraining order was
already
in place. And after I did get police reports, the police misplaced
physical
evidence repeatedly. When I went to court with an armful of physical
evidence, the prosecutor himself showed up at court having left the
entire
case file behind on his desk, and cut a sweetheart deal with the
defense
attorney while shutting me out. I asked to speak to the prosecutor
repeatedly, but was denied the opportunity until after the judge had
already
ruled, at which point the prosecutor told me all my evidence was past
history and might as well be thrown away.
I did get that fellow behind bars, though. And I did some things to
make
sure that prosecutor's office never handled another case that
sloppily again
(when it changes endorsements in the mayor's race they change their
tune).
In short, I'm no noob and I'm no fool. These last few months
several people
have been telling me who Gavin de Becker is, as if I hadn't already
read
"The Gift of Fear" years before I joined Wikipedia. I don't
entirely agree
with Mr. de Becker. I see where he's coming from, but he and I have
philosophical differences. I also think Wikipedia is different
enough from
the world of his usual clients that his approach requires
modification.
-Durova
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http://durova.blogspot.com/
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