I agree with Guillaume, it's more than time to be thinking about the next edition of Wikimania.
I have put together a set of guidelines around the bidding process that I have been thinking about for quite a time.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Guidelines
Please comment, edit etc.
Thank you,
Delphine
----- Original Message ----- From: "Delphine Ménard" notafishz@gmail.com To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2007 11:17 AM Subject: [Foundation-l] Wikimania 2008
I agree with Guillaume, it's more than time to be thinking about the next edition of Wikimania.
I have put together a set of guidelines around the bidding process that I have been thinking about for quite a time.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Guidelines
Please comment, edit etc.
Thank you,
Delphine
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IMHO, that one http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Cippalusi is actually the best bid that we have for the wikimania 2008.
Senpai
senpai wrote:
IMHO, that one http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Cippalusi is actually the best bid that we have for the wikimania 2008.
Make us an offer we can't refuse. ;-)
Ec
IMHO important points are missed:
1.Any member of the jury must NOT be involved in any way with the bidding town.
If I am Chinese or I have Chinese origin (for example) I cannot be part of the jury if a Chinese town is candidate.
2.The name of any member of the jury must be secret until the final choice
Finally IMHO the communities must have an important part with a poll (for example with a number of votes in the final choice).
And finally finally IMHO if we have two or three good candidature, we have sponsors, we have resources is stupid to say that Wikimania is one, is unique, is not repeteable in the same year.
Ilario
Delphine Ménard wrote:
I agree with Guillaume, it's more than time to be thinking about the next edition of Wikimania.
I have put together a set of guidelines around the bidding process that I have been thinking about for quite a time.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania_2008/Guidelines
Please comment, edit etc.
Thank you,
Delphine
On 6/7/07, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
1.Any member of the jury must NOT be involved in any way with the bidding town.
If I am Chinese or I have Chinese origin (for example) I cannot be part of the jury if a Chinese town is candidate.
This isn't practical. There would be very few people who are able to be involved if everyone from 20 or so countries that submit bids can not be on the jury. The Board members are usually on the jury, so you're implying that the US, France, the Netherlands, and Germany can not even submit bids?
2.The name of any member of the jury must be secret until the final choice
I disagree with this. For transparency, everyone should know who is making the decision and how that decision is made.
As a reminder, the draft Judging criteria are still at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Judging_criteria
Angela
Looking to the previous year I cannot see this "critical mass" of candidatures!
About the members of board you have the correct reading because if an US, Dutch, German o French candidate will be chosen is natural that the decision is not trasparent.
1.Any member of the jury must NOT be involved in any way with the bidding town.
This isn't practical. There would be very few people who are able to be involved if everyone from 20 or so countries that submit bids can not be on the jury. The Board members are usually on the jury, so you're implying that the US, France, the Netherlands, and Germany can not even submit bids?
To have a transparent decision is better to have un-transparent members (the names will be public after the decision). It seems a paradox but if we need transparency it could be better to know also the vote of any single member. Why in this case there is not problem of transparency?
2.The name of any member of the jury must be secret until the final choice
I disagree with this. For transparency, everyone should know who is making the decision and how that decision is made.
As a reminder, the draft Judging criteria are still at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimania/Judging_criteria
Ilario
On Thu, June 7, 2007 17:30, Angela wrote:
On 6/7/07, Ilario Valdelli valdelli@gmail.com wrote:
1.Any member of the jury must NOT be involved in any way with the bidding town. If I am Chinese or I have Chinese origin (for example) I cannot be part of the jury if a Chinese town is candidate.
This isn't practical. There would be very few people who are able to be involved if everyone from 20 or so countries that submit bids can not be on the jury. The Board members are usually on the jury, so you're implying that the US, France, the Netherlands, and Germany can not even submit bids?
Sorry Angela, but that isn't what Ilario was saying. He was stating the standard practice for many bodies that make similar decisions that an individual who is (or could reasonably be considered as) connected to a given bid cannot take an active part on the decision-making *regarding that given bid* - ie not that they can't be involved at all, just with the bids from their own country/ies. This sounds, to me, as a reasonable way to reduce the perceived bias that could take place (not, may I clearly state) that I believe it has in the past.
Alison Wheeler
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