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Walter Vermeir

26 Jul 2008 26 Jul '08

7:07 a.m.

Hi everyone, I have not been to Wikimania but I do am interested in what was going on there. And probably many people who did go also because you can not go to everything. 120 years ago some clever guy found a solution for exactly this type of problem. About how this invention was used for the Wikimanias before 2008 have I voiced in my newsletter my opinion last year; http://en.wikizine.org/2007/08/year-2007-week-33-number-79.html For Wikimania 2008; There are archived videos online of the sessions. http://webcast.bibalex.org/Home/List.aspx?Conference=6u0LkBzgNlZm+RzGhC/6Ag… This is the first Wikimania that this has happened. So far the good news. The location, Biblotheca Alexandrina, was presented as a very new, very upscale world class and technological advanced location for a conference. Having some expectations that the are able to provide video recordings is not unreasonable. When I try to watch the video online it just does not work. I use Ubuntu 8.04 / FF3.0 On this blog can be find information about how you can watch the streams; http://linuxawy.org/node/28 ... and it works. At least for a while. Then the video stops in the middle of a presentation. This is a deep url mms://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv to the board panel session. I was not able to find out how to download it directly. I was able to open it with VLC and dump the file locally and so make a local copy. This way it was possible to get behind the point where when streaming the video breaks down. It seems that the video contains several points where it is broken. The video stops but the audio keeps running. By running the video forward a bit and back again you can get over the break points. But even so I was not able to view the whole session because the file at a certain point was empty. The videofile seems to be so bad that even VLC can not swallow it. That is my user experience of "trying to view the Wikimanina 2008 recordings" for so far. Why is the WMF again still not able to do what any 12 year old with a mobile phone seems to be able to do these days; make a movie and put it on the internet in way that just works? What is wrong with putting files on an ftp-server and posting the urls? -- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community

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Casey Brown

26 Jul 26 Jul

8:21 a.m.

I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm. In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows Media Player. On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Walter Vermeir <walter(a)wikipedia.be> wrote:

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teun spaans

12:18 p.m.

Alas i am unable to view the videos. I regret i would have to resort to IE to view these proceedings. It is perfectly possible to offer contenst through mms: links in a way that FF can open as a stream. The installation of additiona; plugins i not necessary. The provider i use for our church website has been doing this for years, certainly it should be posisble here too. On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>wrote;wrote:

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http://webcast.bibalex.org/Home/List.aspx?Conference=6u0LkBzgNlZm+RzGhC/6Ag…

This is the first Wikimania that this has happened. So far the good news. The location, Biblotheca Alexandrina, was presented as a very new, very upscale world class and technological advanced location for a conference. Having some expectations that the are able to provide video recordings is not unreasonable. When I try to watch the video online it just does not work. I use Ubuntu 8.04 / FF3.0 On this blog can be find information about how you can watch the streams; http://linuxawy.org/node/28 ... and it works. At least for a while. Then the video stops in the middle of a presentation. This is a deep url mms://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv to the board panel session. I was not able to find out how to download it directly. I was able to open it with VLC and dump the file locally and so make a local copy. This way it was possible to get behind the point where when streaming the video breaks down. It seems that the video contains several points where it is broken. The video stops but the audio keeps running. By running the video forward a bit and back again you can get over the break points. But even so I was not able to view the whole session because the file at a certain point was empty. The videofile seems to be so bad that even VLC can not swallow it. That is my user experience of "trying to view the Wikimanina 2008 recordings" for so far. Why is the WMF again still not able to do what any 12 year old with a mobile phone seems to be able to do these days; make a movie and put it on the internet in way that just works? What is wrong with putting files on an ftp-server and posting the urls? -- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community

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Husky

3:07 p.m.

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.

Does this mean that the upload limit of 20mb on Commons will be increased? 20mb isn't enough to upload a movie in any format that is longer than 20 minutes or so, and you would probably have very bad quality then because you need to decrease the bit rate. And in the meantime, maybe the Commons videos could be uploaded through a video hosting website such as blip.tv. Yes, that's all Flash video, but it's a lot better than offering files in a format (Windows Media) that is only playable on Windows computers. Afaik, it's also possible to attach Creative Commons licenses to videos there. -- Hay / Husky

Michael Dale

3:15 p.m.

Kaltura got a copy of most of the video uploaded to their demo wiki: http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions --michael Husky wrote:

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.

Gerard Meijssen

9:40 p.m.

Hoi, I get the impression that most of the presentations should be there ... HOWEVER How do I make it work, what do I need to do to SEE anything. Should it start automatically or what ??? I really want to see this work.... Thanks, GerardM On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Michael Dale <dale(a)ucsc.edu> wrote:

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Kaltura got a copy of most of the video uploaded to their demo wiki: http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions --michael Husky wrote:

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>

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I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.

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Michael Dale

11:20 p.m.

hmm they were up there early...but I am having the same issue you described... I think Biblioteca Alexandra was going to upload the rest?... check back later I guess? peace, --michael Gerard Meijssen wrote:

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Kaltura got a copy of most of the video uploaded to their demo wiki: http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions --michael Husky wrote:

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.

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Walter Vermeir

8:36 p.m.

Casey Brown schreef:

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I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.

That would be very nice if that would happen. After previous Wikimanias it was also anounced that the videos would come soon available. Let's see after Wikimania 2009 how the videos of Wikimania 2008 are doing.

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In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows Media Player.

The problem is not the use of the Windows media format. I can play that. The problem is getting the files. And getting the files is a problem because the are not presented as file to download. Also that these specific Windows media files seems to be badly encoded so that playback is not working good. -- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community

Moushira Elamrawy

11:48 p.m.

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Walter Vermeir <walter(a)wikipedia.be> wrote:

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Casey Brown schreef:

I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.

Hi Walter, Don't worry. BA took care of recording all sessions; so now they are available in digital format. Of course, videos couldn't be made instantly available online, for certainly this huge amount of data (some 60 GB!) takes time in processing, and conversion to ogg format. We are still investigating other options in case this too much data did not fit in WikiCommons: one video is ~1G, while maximum ogg upload on Commons is 20MB!); other options include uploading videos to an ftp or to the Internet Archive, which BA already hosts a mirror of. Opening, closing, keynote and invited speakers sessions were the only ones that were streamed live, so now they are archived here: http://webcast.bibalex.org/home/home.aspx, there is a useful hint for FF on Lunix users here: http://linuxawy.org/node/28 Same sessions of web-cast, in additions to some others are also available on Kaltura.devwiki More news to come next week...Don't worry:) Regards, Moushira

Mohamed Magdy

27 Jul 27 Jul

12:14 a.m.

Perhaps someone knowledgeable in live video feeds (that really works in every platform) starts this page (for future reference): http://meta.wikimedia.org/How to prepare live video feeds for my Wikimania -- --alnokta

Walter Vermeir

12:46 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

Because I needed the information for myself to view them and my mission to share WMF-related information I have made a list with the direct url's to the files of the Wikimania sessions videos. You can find these here; http://en.wikizine.org/2008/07/special-post-urls-to-wikimania-2008.html This should make viewing the videos a lot more easy. I have found the url's of all videos except for "New Paradigms For New Tomorrows by Ismail Serageldin". -- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community

Gregory Maxwell

12:52 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Vermeir <walter(a)wikipedia.be> wrote:

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Alas, these are MMS streaming URLs, not download ones. URLs to download the footage would be much better.

Walter Vermeir

1:01 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

Gregory Maxwell schreef:

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Alas, these are MMS streaming URLs, not download ones. URLs to download the footage would be much better.

Chad

1:34 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Walter Vermeir <walter(a)wikipedia.be> wrote:

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Gregory Maxwell schreef:

Alas, these are MMS streaming URLs, not download ones. URLs to download the footage would be much better.

I know. If I could I would have listed them so you can download them. But I do not know how. This; http://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv gives a "The page cannot be found" error. -- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Which may be very possible. A server set up with the mms:// protocol doesn't necessarily put the files on a viewable web server (for one, my employer doesn't). In this case, you're stuck streaming it over the mms protocol. As a note of interest, newer versions of Microsoft Media Server make use of RTSP as opposed to their proprietary stack. Whether or not that helps anyone to stream, I don't know (the article on [[w:Microsoft Media Server]] seems to say VLC can play it, I haven't tried personally). -Chad

Walter Vermeir

2:20 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

Chad schreef:

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As a note of interest, newer versions of Microsoft Media Server make use of RTSP as opposed to their proprietary stack. Whether or not that helps anyone to stream, I don't know (the article on [[w:Microsoft Media Server]] seems to say VLC can play it, I haven't tried personally). -Chad

Yes VLC can play it. At least most of them. There was a video where the video did not worked, only the audio. But with Mplayer that one worked fine. I am currently attempting to download the videos by playing the video in VLC and dumping the video to a local file. If that works I will upload them. I have attempted it before but near the end it did get stuck. -- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community

Gregory Maxwell

2:39 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Walter Vermeir <walter(a)wikipedia.be> wrote:

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Mplayer can do this too, without decoding the video.. but it's not reliable: glitches during the transmission end up in the saved file.

Bryan Tong Minh

4 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Walter Vermeir <walter(a)wikipedia.be> wrote:

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Chad schreef:

Try the free as in beer SDP Downloader <http://sdp.ppona.com/>. In the setup options you need to set the protocol to "TCP". That appears to work for me but I did not try the full stream as they are quite long. Bryan

Gregory Maxwell

4:04 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Yea, doesn't work so good when you don't have windows. ;) I'll see if I can force mplayer to use TCP.

Fajro

3:27 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Gregory Maxwell <gmaxwell(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Bryan Tong Minh <bryan.tongminh(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yea, doesn't work so good when you don't have windows. ;) I'll see if I can force mplayer to use TCP.

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Florence Devouard

28 Jul 28 Jul

1:13 a.m.

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Walter Vermeir wrote:

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Oh, Great. These ones are working ! Thanks Walter Ant

Walter Vermeir

29 Jul 29 Jul

5:49 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Direct url's posted (Re: Wikimania 2008; online video recordings)

Walter Vermeir schreef:

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to share WMF-related information I have made a list with the direct url's to the files of the Wikimania sessions videos. You can find these here; http://en.wikizine.org/2008/07/special-post-urls-to-wikimania-2008.html

All of the videos from the Biblotheca Alexandrina webcast section are now uploaded to the Kaltura website. And are also included on that wikizine.org posting. (and it seems that FF now craches when it trying to load it) Every time you edit an already publisched posting the aggregator at en.planet.wikimedia.org considers it a new post and it comes back at the top of the page. I promise I am done with this now. On the kaltura wiki the uploaded videos can be found at; http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions The bold listings contain video. -- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community

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Bryan Tong Minh
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Chad
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Gerard Meijssen
Gregory Maxwell
Husky
Michael Dale
Mohamed Magdy
Moushira Elamrawy
teun spaans
Walter Vermeir