Hi everyone,
I have not been to Wikimania but I do am interested in what was going on there. And probably many people who did go also because you can not go to everything.
120 years ago some clever guy found a solution for exactly this type of problem.
About how this invention was used for the Wikimanias before 2008 have I voiced in my newsletter my opinion last year; http://en.wikizine.org/2007/08/year-2007-week-33-number-79.html
For Wikimania 2008;
There are archived videos online of the sessions. http://webcast.bibalex.org/Home/List.aspx?Conference=6u0LkBzgNlZm+RzGhC/6Ag=...
This is the first Wikimania that this has happened. So far the good news.
The location, Biblotheca Alexandrina, was presented as a very new, very upscale world class and technological advanced location for a conference. Having some expectations that the are able to provide video recordings is not unreasonable.
When I try to watch the video online it just does not work. I use Ubuntu 8.04 / FF3.0
On this blog can be find information about how you can watch the streams; http://linuxawy.org/node/28
... and it works. At least for a while. Then the video stops in the middle of a presentation.
This is a deep url mms://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv
to the board panel session. I was not able to find out how to download it directly. I was able to open it with VLC and dump the file locally and so make a local copy.
This way it was possible to get behind the point where when streaming the video breaks down. It seems that the video contains several points where it is broken. The video stops but the audio keeps running. By running the video forward a bit and back again you can get over the break points.
But even so I was not able to view the whole session because the file at a certain point was empty. The videofile seems to be so bad that even VLC can not swallow it.
That is my user experience of "trying to view the Wikimanina 2008 recordings" for so far.
Why is the WMF again still not able to do what any 12 year old with a mobile phone seems to be able to do these days; make a movie and put it on the internet in way that just works? What is wrong with putting files on an ftp-server and posting the urls?
I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.
In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows Media Player.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Hi everyone,
I have not been to Wikimania but I do am interested in what was going on there. And probably many people who did go also because you can not go to everything.
120 years ago some clever guy found a solution for exactly this type of problem.
About how this invention was used for the Wikimanias before 2008 have I voiced in my newsletter my opinion last year; http://en.wikizine.org/2007/08/year-2007-week-33-number-79.html
For Wikimania 2008;
There are archived videos online of the sessions. http://webcast.bibalex.org/Home/List.aspx?Conference=6u0LkBzgNlZm+RzGhC/6Ag=...
This is the first Wikimania that this has happened. So far the good news.
The location, Biblotheca Alexandrina, was presented as a very new, very upscale world class and technological advanced location for a conference. Having some expectations that the are able to provide video recordings is not unreasonable.
When I try to watch the video online it just does not work. I use Ubuntu 8.04 / FF3.0
On this blog can be find information about how you can watch the streams; http://linuxawy.org/node/28
... and it works. At least for a while. Then the video stops in the middle of a presentation.
This is a deep url mms://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv
to the board panel session. I was not able to find out how to download it directly. I was able to open it with VLC and dump the file locally and so make a local copy.
This way it was possible to get behind the point where when streaming the video breaks down. It seems that the video contains several points where it is broken. The video stops but the audio keeps running. By running the video forward a bit and back again you can get over the break points.
But even so I was not able to view the whole session because the file at a certain point was empty. The videofile seems to be so bad that even VLC can not swallow it.
That is my user experience of "trying to view the Wikimanina 2008 recordings" for so far.
Why is the WMF again still not able to do what any 12 year old with a mobile phone seems to be able to do these days; make a movie and put it on the internet in way that just works? What is wrong with putting files on an ftp-server and posting the urls?
-- Contact: walter AT wikizine DOT org Wikizine.org - news for and about the Wikimedia community
Alas i am unable to view the videos. I regret i would have to resort to IE to view these proceedings.
It is perfectly possible to offer contenst through mms: links in a way that FF can open as a stream. The installation of additiona; plugins i not necessary. The provider i use for our church website has been doing this for years, certainly it should be posisble here too.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.comwrote:
I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.
In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows Media Player.
On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 7:07 PM, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Hi everyone,
I have not been to Wikimania but I do am interested in what was going on there. And probably many people who did go also because you can not go to everything.
120 years ago some clever guy found a solution for exactly this type of problem.
About how this invention was used for the Wikimanias before 2008 have I voiced in my newsletter my opinion last year; http://en.wikizine.org/2007/08/year-2007-week-33-number-79.html
For Wikimania 2008;
There are archived videos online of the sessions.
http://webcast.bibalex.org/Home/List.aspx?Conference=6u0LkBzgNlZm+RzGhC/6Ag=...
This is the first Wikimania that this has happened. So far the good news.
The location, Biblotheca Alexandrina, was presented as a very new, very upscale world class and technological advanced location for a conference. Having some expectations that the are able to provide video recordings is not unreasonable.
When I try to watch the video online it just does not work. I use Ubuntu 8.04 / FF3.0
On this blog can be find information about how you can watch the streams; http://linuxawy.org/node/28
... and it works. At least for a while. Then the video stops in the middle of a presentation.
This is a deep url mms://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv
to the board panel session. I was not able to find out how to download it directly. I was able to open it with VLC and dump the file locally and so make a local copy.
This way it was possible to get behind the point where when streaming the video breaks down. It seems that the video contains several points where it is broken. The video stops but the audio keeps running. By running the video forward a bit and back again you can get over the break points.
But even so I was not able to view the whole session because the file at a certain point was empty. The videofile seems to be so bad that even VLC can not swallow it.
That is my user experience of "trying to view the Wikimanina 2008 recordings" for so far.
Why is the WMF again still not able to do what any 12 year old with a mobile phone seems to be able to do these days; make a movie and put it on the internet in way that just works? What is wrong with putting files on an ftp-server and posting the urls?
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On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.
Does this mean that the upload limit of 20mb on Commons will be increased? 20mb isn't enough to upload a movie in any format that is longer than 20 minutes or so, and you would probably have very bad quality then because you need to decrease the bit rate.
And in the meantime, maybe the Commons videos could be uploaded through a video hosting website such as blip.tv. Yes, that's all Flash video, but it's a lot better than offering files in a format (Windows Media) that is only playable on Windows computers. Afaik, it's also possible to attach Creative Commons licenses to videos there.
-- Hay / Husky
Kaltura got a copy of most of the video uploaded to their demo wiki: http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions
--michael
Husky wrote:
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com wrote:
I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.
Does this mean that the upload limit of 20mb on Commons will be increased? 20mb isn't enough to upload a movie in any format that is longer than 20 minutes or so, and you would probably have very bad quality then because you need to decrease the bit rate.
And in the meantime, maybe the Commons videos could be uploaded through a video hosting website such as blip.tv. Yes, that's all Flash video, but it's a lot better than offering files in a format (Windows Media) that is only playable on Windows computers. Afaik, it's also possible to attach Creative Commons licenses to videos there.
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Hoi, I get the impression that most of the presentations should be there ... HOWEVER
How do I make it work, what do I need to do to SEE anything. Should it start automatically or what ???
I really want to see this work....
Thanks, GerardM
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Michael Dale dale@ucsc.edu wrote:
Kaltura got a copy of most of the video uploaded to their demo wiki: http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions
--michael
Husky wrote:
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com
wrote:
I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.
Does this mean that the upload limit of 20mb on Commons will be increased? 20mb isn't enough to upload a movie in any format that is longer than 20 minutes or so, and you would probably have very bad quality then because you need to decrease the bit rate.
And in the meantime, maybe the Commons videos could be uploaded through a video hosting website such as blip.tv. Yes, that's all Flash video, but it's a lot better than offering files in a format (Windows Media) that is only playable on Windows computers. Afaik, it's also possible to attach Creative Commons licenses to videos there.
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hmm they were up there early...but I am having the same issue you described... I think Biblioteca Alexandra was going to upload the rest?... check back later I guess?
peace, --michael
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, I get the impression that most of the presentations should be there ... HOWEVER
How do I make it work, what do I need to do to SEE anything. Should it start automatically or what ???
I really want to see this work....
Thanks, GerardM
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Michael Dale dale@ucsc.edu wrote:
Kaltura got a copy of most of the video uploaded to their demo wiki: http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions
--michael
Husky wrote:
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:21 AM, Casey Brown cbrown1023.ml@gmail.com
wrote:
I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.
Does this mean that the upload limit of 20mb on Commons will be increased? 20mb isn't enough to upload a movie in any format that is longer than 20 minutes or so, and you would probably have very bad quality then because you need to decrease the bit rate.
And in the meantime, maybe the Commons videos could be uploaded through a video hosting website such as blip.tv. Yes, that's all Flash video, but it's a lot better than offering files in a format (Windows Media) that is only playable on Windows computers. Afaik, it's also possible to attach Creative Commons licenses to videos there.
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Casey Brown schreef:
I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.
That would be very nice if that would happen. After previous Wikimanias it was also anounced that the videos would come soon available.
Let's see after Wikimania 2009 how the videos of Wikimania 2008 are doing.
In the interim, the videos on the stream can be played using Windows Media Player.
The problem is not the use of the Windows media format. I can play that. The problem is getting the files. And getting the files is a problem because the are not presented as file to download. Also that these specific Windows media files seems to be badly encoded so that playback is not working good.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 3:36 PM, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Casey Brown schreef:
I am pretty sure that videos in .ogg (or another more easily playable format) are going to be uploaded to Wikimedia Commons soon. BA is working on it, atm.
That would be very nice if that would happen. After previous Wikimanias it was also anounced that the videos would come soon available.
Let's see after Wikimania 2009 how the videos of Wikimania 2008 are doing.
Hi Walter, Don't worry. BA took care of recording all sessions; so now they are available in digital format. Of course, videos couldn't be made instantly available online, for certainly this huge amount of data (some 60 GB!) takes time in processing, and conversion to ogg format. We are still investigating other options in case this too much data did not fit in WikiCommons: one video is ~1G, while maximum ogg upload on Commons is 20MB!); other options include uploading videos to an ftp or to the Internet Archive, which BA already hosts a mirror of.
Opening, closing, keynote and invited speakers sessions were the only ones that were streamed live, so now they are archived here: http://webcast.bibalex.org/home/home.aspx, there is a useful hint for FF on Lunix users here: http://linuxawy.org/node/28
Same sessions of web-cast, in additions to some others are also available on Kaltura.devwiki
More news to come next week...Don't worry:)
Regards, Moushira
Perhaps someone knowledgeable in live video feeds (that really works in every platform) starts this page (for future reference):
http://meta.wikimedia.org/How to prepare live video feeds for my Wikimania
Because I needed the information for myself to view them and my mission to share WMF-related information I have made a list with the direct url's to the files of the Wikimania sessions videos.
You can find these here; http://en.wikizine.org/2008/07/special-post-urls-to-wikimania-2008.html
This should make viewing the videos a lot more easy. I have found the url's of all videos except for "New Paradigms For New Tomorrows by Ismail Serageldin".
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Because I needed the information for myself to view them and my mission to share WMF-related information I have made a list with the direct url's to the files of the Wikimania sessions videos.
You can find these here; http://en.wikizine.org/2008/07/special-post-urls-to-wikimania-2008.html
This should make viewing the videos a lot more easy. I have found the url's of all videos except for "New Paradigms For New Tomorrows by Ismail Serageldin".
Alas, these are MMS streaming URLs, not download ones. URLs to download the footage would be much better.
Gregory Maxwell schreef:
Alas, these are MMS streaming URLs, not download ones. URLs to download the footage would be much better.
I know. If I could I would have listed them so you can download them. But I do not know how.
This; http://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv
gives a "The page cannot be found" error.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Gregory Maxwell schreef:
Alas, these are MMS streaming URLs, not download ones. URLs to download the footage would be much better.
I know. If I could I would have listed them so you can download them. But I do not know how.
This; http://webcast.bibalex.org/WebCast/wiki-17-7.wmv
gives a "The page cannot be found" error.
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Which may be very possible. A server set up with the mms:// protocol doesn't necessarily put the files on a viewable web server (for one, my employer doesn't). In this case, you're stuck streaming it over the mms protocol.
As a note of interest, newer versions of Microsoft Media Server make use of RTSP as opposed to their proprietary stack. Whether or not that helps anyone to stream, I don't know (the article on [[w:Microsoft Media Server]] seems to say VLC can play it, I haven't tried personally).
-Chad
Chad schreef:
As a note of interest, newer versions of Microsoft Media Server make use of RTSP as opposed to their proprietary stack. Whether or not that helps anyone to stream, I don't know (the article on [[w:Microsoft Media Server]] seems to say VLC can play it, I haven't tried personally).
-Chad
Yes VLC can play it. At least most of them. There was a video where the video did not worked, only the audio. But with Mplayer that one worked fine.
I am currently attempting to download the videos by playing the video in VLC and dumping the video to a local file. If that works I will upload them. I have attempted it before but near the end it did get stuck.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 2:20 PM, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Yes VLC can play it. At least most of them. There was a video where the video did not worked, only the audio. But with Mplayer that one worked fine.
I am currently attempting to download the videos by playing the video in VLC and dumping the video to a local file. If that works I will upload them. I have attempted it before but near the end it did get stuck.
Mplayer can do this too, without decoding the video.. but it's not reliable: glitches during the transmission end up in the saved file.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Walter Vermeir walter@wikipedia.be wrote:
Chad schreef:
As a note of interest, newer versions of Microsoft Media Server make use of RTSP as opposed to their proprietary stack. Whether or not that helps anyone to stream, I don't know (the article on [[w:Microsoft Media Server]] seems to say VLC can play it, I haven't tried personally).
-Chad
Yes VLC can play it. At least most of them. There was a video where the video did not worked, only the audio. But with Mplayer that one worked fine.
I am currently attempting to download the videos by playing the video in VLC and dumping the video to a local file. If that works I will upload them. I have attempted it before but near the end it did get stuck.
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Try the free as in beer SDP Downloader http://sdp.ppona.com/. In the setup options you need to set the protocol to "TCP". That appears to work for me but I did not try the full stream as they are quite long.
Bryan
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
Try the free as in beer SDP Downloader http://sdp.ppona.com/. In the setup options you need to set the protocol to "TCP". That appears to work for me but I did not try the full stream as they are quite long.
Yea, doesn't work so good when you don't have windows. ;) I'll see if I can force mplayer to use TCP.
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Jul 26, 2008 at 4:00 PM, Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongminh@gmail.com wrote:
Try the free as in beer SDP Downloader http://sdp.ppona.com/. In the setup options you need to set the protocol to "TCP". That appears to work for me but I did not try the full stream as they are quite long.
Yea, doesn't work so good when you don't have windows. ;) I'll see if I can force mplayer to use TCP.
You can try Mimms: http://www.nongnu.org/mimms/
Walter Vermeir wrote:
Because I needed the information for myself to view them and my mission to share WMF-related information I have made a list with the direct url's to the files of the Wikimania sessions videos.
You can find these here; http://en.wikizine.org/2008/07/special-post-urls-to-wikimania-2008.html
This should make viewing the videos a lot more easy. I have found the url's of all videos except for "New Paradigms For New Tomorrows by Ismail Serageldin".
Oh, Great. These ones are working ! Thanks Walter
Ant
Walter Vermeir schreef:
to share WMF-related information I have made a list with the direct url's to the files of the Wikimania sessions videos.
You can find these here; http://en.wikizine.org/2008/07/special-post-urls-to-wikimania-2008.html
All of the videos from the Biblotheca Alexandrina webcast section are now uploaded to the Kaltura website. And are also included on that wikizine.org posting. (and it seems that FF now craches when it trying to load it)
Every time you edit an already publisched posting the aggregator at en.planet.wikimedia.org considers it a new post and it comes back at the top of the page. I promise I am done with this now.
On the kaltura wiki the uploaded videos can be found at; http://www.kaltura.com/devwiki/index.php/Wikimania_Sessions
The bold listings contain video.
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