On 1/31/08, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
You do realise the head of the translator committee is banned from ja:wp due to personal disagreements? Communities have attacks of batshit insane, and that's too much power to hand to one project.
Yes, and did you read my email a little bit more careful? :)
Andres: - en.wp lifted ban under pressure of its own community. - If they didn't do that, they would have to do that after implementing SUL. - If they knew that their decision would affect all other wikis, they wouldn't be so crazy to do that.
About en-wpization of the community: This is just an unreasonable fear. Some of very important en-Wikipedians didn't pass even voting for adminship on Meta. Policy like this would initiate much more participation of member of a lot of different Wikimedian projects into Meta issues.
On 1/31/08, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
A logical extension of Milos' proposal could arise if someone persistently insisted on pushing a Serbian POV on hr:wp. The Croatians would become very annoyed with this until that individual met one of the criteria which Milos suggests. They would block him, and the logical consequence would then be that he should also be blocked on sr:wp. Somehow, I don't see that this would necessarily be an acceptable result.
sr/hr is not the main issue (usually, the same vandals and trolls are blocked on both Wikipedias); the main issue are POV pushers on en.wp who are spreading their own POV on their own, smaller projects; and, consequently, building heavy POV community; as well as unacceptable behaviors of some other communities -- which are completely out of the scope of WM goals.
Lodewijk: All great ideas were unacceptable at the beginning :)))
On 31/01/2008, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Milos Rancic wrote:
Lodewijk: All great ideas were unacceptable at the beginning :)))
From this I would avoid drawing the inference that all unacceptable ideas are great. :-)
"They laughed at Galileo. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."
- d.
On 1/31/08, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 31/01/2008, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:
Milos Rancic wrote:
Lodewijk: All great ideas were unacceptable at the beginning :)))
From this I would avoid drawing the inference that all unacceptable ideas are great. :-)
"They laughed at Galileo. But they also laughed at Bozo the Clown."
Hm. The second option is not so bad, too ;)
To be honest, I don't see that as a great idea, but as something very predictable. It is obvious that there are still a lot of irrational arguments against it, but sooner or later we will have to work on solving our problems.
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