Hello, everyone.
I would like to inform you that the group known as "Wikimedia Kenya" is no longer a provisionally-recognized chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, as its provisional recognition has expired, and the WMF did not extend it.
We encourage the Wikimedians in Kenya to regroup and make some plans for activity, and then to affiliate with the movement as a Wikimedia User Group (a model not available at the time the group was provisionally recognized as a chapter).
Please see our message to the Kenyan group on their list, here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediake/2013-February/003359.html
We remain supportive of the group's next steps, when they are ready to take them.
I am updating Meta now, but do lend a hand if I've missed anything.
Asaf Bartov
Hi Asaf,
I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Keny...
Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's agreement before 6 Feb 2013?
I'm rather surprised to hear that they're being encouraged to incorporate and affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you explain the rationale here?
Thanks, Mike (Personal viewpoint)
On 1 Mar 2013, at 22:37, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hello, everyone.
I would like to inform you that the group known as "Wikimedia Kenya" is no longer a provisionally-recognized chapter of the Wikimedia Foundation, as its provisional recognition has expired, and the WMF did not extend it.
We encourage the Wikimedians in Kenya to regroup and make some plans for activity, and then to affiliate with the movement as a Wikimedia User Group (a model not available at the time the group was provisionally recognized as a chapter).
Please see our message to the Kenyan group on their list, here: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediake/2013-February/003359.html
We remain supportive of the group's next steps, when they are ready to take them.
I am updating Meta now, but do lend a hand if I've missed anything.
Asaf Bartov
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On Mar 1, 2013 11:07 PM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Asaf,
I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Keny...
Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's
agreement before 6 Feb 2013?
I'm rather surprised to hear that they're being encouraged to incorporate
and affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you explain the rationale here?
Have you read the email to the Kenyan list? I think it explains the situation quite well.
They haven't incorporated, which was a condition of the provisional chapter status. It sounds like the wmf thinks the kind of things they want to do are better suited to a user group than a chapter. I don't know enough about the Kenyan group to know if that is true, but other models of affiliation were created precisely because chapters are the right solution for every situation.
On 1 Mar 2013, at 23:22, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 1, 2013 11:07 PM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Asaf,
I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Keny...
Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's
agreement before 6 Feb 2013?
I'm rather surprised to hear that they're being encouraged to incorporate
and affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you explain the rationale here?
Have you read the email to the Kenyan list? I think it explains the situation quite well.
They haven't incorporated, which was a condition of the provisional chapter status. It sounds like the wmf thinks the kind of things they want to do are better suited to a user group than a chapter. I don't know enough about the Kenyan group to know if that is true, but other models of affiliation were created precisely because chapters are the right solution for every situation.
Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that email into account.
Thanks, Mike
Hi Mike,
They have not yet incorporated and haven't signed a chapters agreement. They are not being encouraged to incorporate without being certain that they want to and are able to take on the responsibilities of running an organization (with the requirements to file government reports; have annual assemblies, etc.).
Incorporation is not needed for recognition as a user group, although it is a possibility. It is a less formal way of association than that which is required for a chapter, but if a user group is stable and big enough conversion into a chapter is a possibility.
Best regards, Bence
On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Michael Peel <michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk
wrote:
On 1 Mar 2013, at 23:22, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.com wrote:
On Mar 1, 2013 11:07 PM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Hi Asaf,
I note that the WMF's recognition decision here was recorded at
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Recognition_of_Wikimedia_Keny...
Please could you confirm that WM Kenya didn't sign the chapter's
agreement before 6 Feb 2013?
I'm rather surprised to hear that they're being encouraged to
incorporate
and affiliate as a user group rather than as a chapter - please could you explain the rationale here?
Have you read the email to the Kenyan list? I think it explains the situation quite well.
They haven't incorporated, which was a condition of the provisional
chapter
status. It sounds like the wmf thinks the kind of things they want to do are better suited to a user group than a chapter. I don't know enough
about
the Kenyan group to know if that is true, but other models of affiliation were created precisely because chapters are the right solution for every situation.
Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that email into account.
Thanks, Mike
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On Mar 1, 2013 11:27 PM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that
email into account.
Then your first question confuses me. That email clearly says they haven't incorporated. That means they can't have signed the chapter's agreement, since there is no entity to sign it... (To my knowledge, chapter's agreements are always entered into by chapters in their own names, not by individuals.)
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 3:38 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dalton@gmail.comwrote:
On Mar 1, 2013 11:27 PM, "Michael Peel" michael.peel@wikimedia.org.uk wrote:
Yes, I had read the email to the Kenyan list. My questions took that
email into account.
Then your first question confuses me. That email clearly says they haven't incorporated. That means they can't have signed the chapter's agreement, since there is no entity to sign it... (To my knowledge, chapter's agreements are always entered into by chapters in their own names, not by individuals.)
That's correct.
And to Mike's second question: the group is not _barred_ from seeking recognition as a chapter once more. It can do so at any time. As things stand, though, the group does not meet AffCom's criteria for chapters, so if attempted right now, the group would not attain recognition. That fact, combined with the availability of the User Group model of affiliation, seems to suggest an easy low-commitment path for the Kenyan group to develop. As Bence pointed out, a successful Kenyan WUG could well be the basis for a future chapter.
Cheers,
Asaf
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-February/124118.html
2013/3/1 Everton Zanella Alvarenga everton.alvarenga@okfn.org
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2013-February/124118.html
Hey Tom,
I'm very confused, could you explain a bit more about what you were trying to say with this link?
James
2013/3/1 James Alexander jamesofur@gmail.com:
I'm very confused, could you explain a bit more about what you were trying to say with this link?
http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation/Comit%C3%AA_de_Cap%C3%ADtu...
Tom, I'm sorry, but just sending another link doesn't expose your thoughts at all. Could you please spell out what you were trying to say?
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On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 6:05 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga < everton137@gmail.com> wrote:
2013/3/1 James Alexander jamesofur@gmail.com:
I'm very confused, could you explain a bit more about what you were
trying
to say with this link?
http://br.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation/Comit%C3%AA_de_Cap%C3%ADtu...
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