My mistake. Maybe we need a crash course in basic latin at wikiversity. :D
----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 12:16:06 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?
That's patently untrue, we do not have an "excellent" Latin WP. That's why we have Latinitas templates - to label articles written in crappy Latin. If that Wiki had been started and maintained by classics professors rather than having many of its pages filled by pimply teenagers who took a couple of semesters of Latin, I'm sure there would be no need.
On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com wrote:
So? No one speaks latin as a native language, but we have an excellent latin WP. If worst comes to worst, Wikiversity will need to have crash courses in <language name here>
----- Original Message ---- From: Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 11:45:35 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?
Umm... 100 people who learnt as much Hupa in a classroom as I have learnt O'odham would probably put together a Wiki in really crappy Hupa. That is the problem.
Mark
On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde geo.plrd@yahoo.com wrote:
Why do we need natives? Just because someone natively speaks Chumash does not mean that there will be enough interest for a wiki. If enough people are willing to display an interest in Hupa, who are we to nitpick?
Mark Williamson node.ue@gmail.com wrote: How about native - where applicable? I think it is a great
requirement... except when it comes to languages with no native speakers. Then we should require fluent speakers, not just interested hobbyists who use a dictionary like Jose77.
Mark
On 29/03/2008, Geoffrey Plourde wrote:
Yes I agree strike native and lets go back to if enough people are interested.
----- Original Message ---- From: Marcus Buck
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Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 4:47:52 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Allow new wikis in extinct languages?
But that is my opinion. What do you think; should wikis be allowed in every extinct language?
In my opinion, Pathoschild is a bit unhonest here. As far as I know, nobody ever proposed to allow _every_ language. His post on this list is based on the discussion here:
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Somebody proposed a Wikipedia in Classical Greek a long time ago and the proposal was rejected based on the "Language proposal policy", which does not allow for projects in languages with no native speakers. But actually the word "native" was inserted by Pathoschild only in October 2007. At that time the proposal for a Classical Greek project was already running for 14 months.
The current policy wouldn't allow for a Wikipedia in Latin nor for a Wikipedia in Esperanto. I think, this is proof, that the current policy is failing. If the UN (hypothetically) would adopt a new constructed language as new worldwide lingua franca, there would be no way no create a wikipedia in this world language under current policy until this language would develop a native community, which would take some decades at least. The policy fails.
Get rid of the word "native" in the policy. Base decisions on the ability to build a viable and useful resource and not on physical features of the language. In my opinion Classical Greek can form a viable community and build a useful resource. Some of you may think "He only wants to push his pet language Greek!" No, I actually have nothing to do with Greek and I prefer spoken languages to scholarly languages. I only jumped into the discussion, cause I realized Greek was about to go being denied for reasons of policy-nitpicking only.
Marcus Buck Slomox
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