Hi all —
Wikimania is coming, but before we get to Montreal, we are publishing many more insights, reports, guides, and research from our work during cycle 3. There's lots of good stuff and interesting insights (did you know Spain is consistently one of the countries with the highest awareness about our projects and community?), and I encourage you to take a look. Here are a few new updates:
*New voices synthesis report.*[1] Are you looking to better understand New Voices projects? Start with this overview report — it summarizes our work across many teams: insights from research, a summary of 58 expert interviews, expert convenings hosted by the Foundation and affiliates, design research findings, briefings on major trends that will impact the community like misinformation and emerging platforms, further reading, and (of course!) references.
*July Wikimedia Foundation metrics meeting.*[2] During our July 27 meeting, we reviewed new research on brand insights about why people do (and do not) read Wikipedia, research that focuses on high-awareness countries as part of New Voices initiatives.
*Strategic direction committee update.*[3] We are working to consider what we have heard from the community and learned from research to identify what we want to achieve as a movement by 2030. We will share our first draft of the strategic direction with all of you in advance of Wikimania. We’re looking forward to your thoughts on the talk page!
*Wikimania movement strategy and events.*[4] Speaking of Wikimania, the Foundation is preparing 6 sessions related to the strategy process in the official program. We will also offer you a physical location for engaging with the strategic direction: the Movement Strategy Space, open from Thursday through Sunday. The Space will host different working sessions, discussions, and the chance to re-energize for the coming weeks and months (we have some special things in store!). The conference organizers are also preparing a remote attendee plan with live video and content for the conference overall, so you will be able to participate if you’re not able to come to Montreal. Please note that online registration ended July 31; after that you can register on-site starting August 8.[5]
ভালো থাকবেন। (Bengali translation: “Stay well”)
Katherine
PS. A version of this message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.[6]
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Sources/New...)
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_metrics_and_activities_...
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/People/Draf...
[4] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030 [5] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Updates/23_...
I find the slide https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:July_2017_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting.pdf&page=22 about whether or not people feel we are "free of advertising" interesting as we only got a 7.3 (with lower scores among younger readers).
We unfortunately are not free of advertising. There is a large and appears to be growing industry that sells Wikipedia articles / ads, which are mostly created through large groups of sock accounts. They also are involved with adding SEO links.
We are struggling to get a handle on this at the COI notice board https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard, which has seen over the last couple of days the listing of more than a hundred additional articles of concern, at SPI, and at WikiProject Spam.
Would be useful to analysis just how significant this issue is, such as what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
James
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all —
Wikimania is coming, but before we get to Montreal, we are publishing many more insights, reports, guides, and research from our work during cycle 3. There's lots of good stuff and interesting insights (did you know Spain is consistently one of the countries with the highest awareness about our projects and community?), and I encourage you to take a look. Here are a few new updates:
*New voices synthesis report.*[1] Are you looking to better understand New Voices projects? Start with this overview report — it summarizes our work across many teams: insights from research, a summary of 58 expert interviews, expert convenings hosted by the Foundation and affiliates, design research findings, briefings on major trends that will impact the community like misinformation and emerging platforms, further reading, and (of course!) references.
*July Wikimedia Foundation metrics meeting.*[2] During our July 27 meeting, we reviewed new research on brand insights about why people do (and do not) read Wikipedia, research that focuses on high-awareness countries as part of New Voices initiatives.
*Strategic direction committee update.*[3] We are working to consider what we have heard from the community and learned from research to identify what we want to achieve as a movement by 2030. We will share our first draft of the strategic direction with all of you in advance of Wikimania. We’re looking forward to your thoughts on the talk page!
*Wikimania movement strategy and events.*[4] Speaking of Wikimania, the Foundation is preparing 6 sessions related to the strategy process in the official program. We will also offer you a physical location for engaging with the strategic direction: the Movement Strategy Space, open from Thursday through Sunday. The Space will host different working sessions, discussions, and the chance to re-energize for the coming weeks and months (we have some special things in store!). The conference organizers are also preparing a remote attendee plan with live video and content for the conference overall, so you will be able to participate if you’re not able to come to Montreal. Please note that online registration ended July 31; after that you can register on-site starting August 8.[5]
ভালো থাকবেন। (Bengali translation: “Stay well”)
Katherine
PS. A version of this message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.[6]
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Sources/New_Voices_Synthesis_report_(July_2017) [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ metrics_and_activities_meetings [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group [4] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030 [5] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Updates/23_June_2017_-_Update_19_on_Wikimedia_ movement_strategy_process
-- Katherine Maher
Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street San Francisco, CA 94105
+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 <(415)%20839-6885> +1 (415) 712 4873 <(415)%20712-4873> kmaher@wikimedia.org https://annual.wikimedia.org
Strategy mailing list Strategy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/strategy
what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
I would sure like to know this.
I would also like to whether the Foundation could, hypothetically, hire editors to address the COIN and related backlogs (AFC, etc.) without endangering the safe harbor provisions; and if not, could a Chapter or User Group, if they were or were not using Foundation funds. Could the Foundation spin off an organization to address the issue separately as in WikiEd?
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
I find the slide https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:July_2017_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting.pdf&page=22 about whether or not people feel we are "free of advertising" interesting as we only got a 7.3 (with lower scores among younger readers).
We unfortunately are not free of advertising. There is a large and appears to be growing industry that sells Wikipedia articles / ads, which are mostly created through large groups of sock accounts. They also are involved with adding SEO links.
We are struggling to get a handle on this at the COI notice board https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard, which has seen over the last couple of days the listing of more than a hundred additional articles of concern, at SPI, and at WikiProject Spam.
Would be useful to analysis just how significant this issue is, such as what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
James
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all —
Wikimania is coming, but before we get to Montreal, we are publishing many more insights, reports, guides, and research from our work during cycle 3. There's lots of good stuff and interesting insights (did you know Spain is consistently one of the countries with the highest awareness about our projects and community?), and I encourage you to take a look. Here are a few new updates:
*New voices synthesis report.*[1] Are you looking to better understand New Voices projects? Start with this overview report — it summarizes our work across many teams: insights from research, a summary of 58 expert interviews, expert convenings hosted by the Foundation and affiliates, design research findings, briefings on major trends that will impact the community like misinformation and emerging platforms, further reading, and (of course!) references.
*July Wikimedia Foundation metrics meeting.*[2] During our July 27 meeting, we reviewed new research on brand insights about why people do (and do not) read Wikipedia, research that focuses on high-awareness countries as part of New Voices initiatives.
*Strategic direction committee update.*[3] We are working to consider what we have heard from the community and learned from research to identify what we want to achieve as a movement by 2030. We will share our first draft of the strategic direction with all of you in advance of Wikimania. We’re looking forward to your thoughts on the talk page!
*Wikimania movement strategy and events.*[4] Speaking of Wikimania, the Foundation is preparing 6 sessions related to the strategy process in the official program. We will also offer you a physical location for engaging with the strategic direction: the Movement Strategy Space, open from Thursday through Sunday. The Space will host different working sessions, discussions, and the chance to re-energize for the coming weeks and months (we have some special things in store!). The conference organizers are also preparing a remote attendee plan with live video and content for the conference overall, so you will be able to participate if you’re not able to come to Montreal. Please note that online registration ended July 31; after that you can register on-site starting August 8.[5]
ভালো থাকবেন। (Bengali translation: “Stay well”)
Katherine
PS. A version of this message is available for translation on Meta-Wiki.[6]
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Sources/New_Voices_Synthesis_report_(July_2017) [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ metrics_and_activities_meetings [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group [4] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030 [5] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Updates/23_June_2017_-_Update_19_on_Wikimedia_ movement_strategy_process
-- Katherine Maher
Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street San Francisco, CA 94105
+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 <(415)%20839-6885> +1 (415) 712 4873 <(415)%20712-4873> kmaher@wikimedia.org https://annual.wikimedia.org
Strategy mailing list Strategy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/strategy
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I wonder if WMF would be willing to let a non-WMF affiliate put up fundraising (which I consider to be another form of advertising, and perhaps some survey respondents did too) banners to get funds for COIN and related backlogs. Perhaps if the fundraising was done by a separate organization, then these efforts could be funded while minimizing the risks to WMF's legal protections.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
I would sure like to know this.
I would also like to whether the Foundation could, hypothetically, hire editors to address the COIN and related backlogs (AFC, etc.) without endangering the safe harbor provisions; and if not, could a Chapter or User Group, if they were or were not using Foundation funds. Could the Foundation spin off an organization to address the issue separately as in WikiEd?
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
I find the slide <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:July_
2017_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting.pdf&page=22>
about whether or not people feel we are "free of advertising" interesting as we only got a 7.3 (with lower scores among younger readers).
We unfortunately are not free of advertising. There is a large and
appears
to be growing industry that sells Wikipedia articles / ads, which are mostly created through large groups of sock accounts. They also are involved with adding SEO links.
We are struggling to get a handle on this at the COI notice board <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_
interest/Noticeboard>,
which has seen over the last couple of days the listing of more than a hundred additional articles of concern, at SPI, and at WikiProject Spam.
Would be useful to analysis just how significant this issue is, such as what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage
of
socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
James
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all —
Wikimania is coming, but before we get to Montreal, we are publishing
many
more insights, reports, guides, and research from our work during cycle
There's lots of good stuff and interesting insights (did you know Spain
is
consistently one of the countries with the highest awareness about our projects and community?), and I encourage you to take a look. Here are a few new updates:
*New voices synthesis report.*[1] Are you looking to better understand New Voices projects? Start with this overview report — it summarizes our work across many teams: insights from research, a summary of 58 expert interviews, expert convenings hosted by the Foundation and affiliates, design research findings, briefings on major trends that will impact the community like misinformation and emerging platforms, further reading,
and
(of course!) references.
*July Wikimedia Foundation metrics meeting.*[2] During our July 27 meeting, we reviewed new research on brand insights about why people do (and do not) read Wikipedia, research that focuses on high-awareness countries as part of New Voices initiatives.
*Strategic direction committee update.*[3] We are working to consider what we have heard from the community and learned from research to
identify
what we want to achieve as a movement by 2030. We will share our first draft of the strategic direction with all of you in advance of
Wikimania.
We’re looking forward to your thoughts on the talk page!
*Wikimania movement strategy and events.*[4] Speaking of Wikimania, the Foundation is preparing 6 sessions related to the strategy process in
the
official program. We will also offer you a physical location for
engaging
with the strategic direction: the Movement Strategy Space, open from Thursday through Sunday. The Space will host different working sessions, discussions, and the chance to re-energize for the coming weeks and
months
(we have some special things in store!). The conference organizers are
also
preparing a remote attendee plan with live video and content for the conference overall, so you will be able to participate if you’re not
able
to come to Montreal. Please note that online registration ended July 31; after that you can register on-site starting August 8.[5]
ভালো থাকবেন। (Bengali translation: “Stay well”)
Katherine
PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
Meta-Wiki.[6]
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Sources/New_Voices_Synthesis_report_(July_2017) [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ metrics_and_activities_meetings [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group [4] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030 [5] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Updates/23_June_2017_-_Update_19_on_Wikimedia_ movement_strategy_process
-- Katherine Maher
Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street San Francisco, CA 94105
+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 <(415)%20839-6885> +1 (415) 712 4873 <(415)%20712-4873> kmaher@wikimedia.org https://annual.wikimedia.org
Strategy mailing list Strategy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/strategy
-- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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Pine
If the objects of the affiliate are compatible with those of the Foundation, then you could ask for a grant. If they are not, why would the Foundation even consider letting you raise funds on their sites.
"Rogol"
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder if WMF would be willing to let a non-WMF affiliate put up fundraising (which I consider to be another form of advertising, and perhaps some survey respondents did too) banners to get funds for COIN and related backlogs. Perhaps if the fundraising was done by a separate organization, then these efforts could be funded while minimizing the risks to WMF's legal protections.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com wrote:
what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
I would sure like to know this.
I would also like to whether the Foundation could, hypothetically, hire editors to address the COIN and related backlogs (AFC, etc.) without endangering the safe harbor provisions; and if not, could a Chapter or User Group, if they were or were not using Foundation funds. Could the Foundation spin off an organization to address the issue separately as in WikiEd?
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
I find the slide <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:July_
2017_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting.pdf&page=22>
about whether or not people feel we are "free of advertising"
interesting
as we only got a 7.3 (with lower scores among younger readers).
We unfortunately are not free of advertising. There is a large and
appears
to be growing industry that sells Wikipedia articles / ads, which are mostly created through large groups of sock accounts. They also are involved with adding SEO links.
We are struggling to get a handle on this at the COI notice board <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_
interest/Noticeboard>,
which has seen over the last couple of days the listing of more than a hundred additional articles of concern, at SPI, and at WikiProject
Spam.
Would be useful to analysis just how significant this issue is, such as what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage
of
socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
James
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all —
Wikimania is coming, but before we get to Montreal, we are publishing
many
more insights, reports, guides, and research from our work during
cycle
There's lots of good stuff and interesting insights (did you know
Spain
is
consistently one of the countries with the highest awareness about our projects and community?), and I encourage you to take a look. Here
are a
few new updates:
*New voices synthesis report.*[1] Are you looking to better understand New Voices projects? Start with this overview report — it summarizes
our
work across many teams: insights from research, a summary of 58 expert interviews, expert convenings hosted by the Foundation and affiliates, design research findings, briefings on major trends that will impact
the
community like misinformation and emerging platforms, further reading,
and
(of course!) references.
*July Wikimedia Foundation metrics meeting.*[2] During our July 27 meeting, we reviewed new research on brand insights about why people
do
(and do not) read Wikipedia, research that focuses on high-awareness countries as part of New Voices initiatives.
*Strategic direction committee update.*[3] We are working to consider what we have heard from the community and learned from research to
identify
what we want to achieve as a movement by 2030. We will share our first draft of the strategic direction with all of you in advance of
Wikimania.
We’re looking forward to your thoughts on the talk page!
*Wikimania movement strategy and events.*[4] Speaking of Wikimania,
the
Foundation is preparing 6 sessions related to the strategy process in
the
official program. We will also offer you a physical location for
engaging
with the strategic direction: the Movement Strategy Space, open from Thursday through Sunday. The Space will host different working
sessions,
discussions, and the chance to re-energize for the coming weeks and
months
(we have some special things in store!). The conference organizers are
also
preparing a remote attendee plan with live video and content for the conference overall, so you will be able to participate if you’re not
able
to come to Montreal. Please note that online registration ended July
31;
after that you can register on-site starting August 8.[5]
ভালো থাকবেন। (Bengali translation: “Stay well”)
Katherine
PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
Meta-Wiki.[6]
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Sources/New_Voices_Synthesis_report_(July_2017) [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ metrics_and_activities_meetings [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group [4] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030 [5] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Updates/23_June_2017_-_Update_19_on_Wikimedia_ movement_strategy_process
-- Katherine Maher
Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street San Francisco, CA 94105
+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 <(415)%20839-6885> +1 (415) 712 4873 <(415)%20712-4873> kmaher@wikimedia.org https://annual.wikimedia.org
Strategy mailing list Strategy@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/strategy
-- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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Hi Rogol,
I'm thinking about your question and several related issues. I want to let you know that I may be silent for a few days, but I do plan to respond. If I haven't responded by next Friday, please remind me.
Thank you and have a good weekend.
Pine
Hi Rogol,
Here are a few thoughts:
1. I tend to think that WMF would need to worry about its legal protections if WMF provided grants for content work. I am wondering if there is a way to work around that difficulty by having a separate organization do the fundraising.
2. A separate organization that raises funds could not only address COIN but could provide financial support for other areas of community work that WMF won't fund, such as other kinds of administrative work, and potentially content development and translation.
3. However, I'm not sure that a new organization's funding and governance could be made solid, reliable, and trustworthy. That's a difficult design challenge.
I'd be interested in thoughts from Doc James and others about how to scale up English Wikipedia's capacity to address COI issues.
A lot of problems would be solved if we could significantly increase our numbers of highly skilled, good-faith Wikimedians. I believe that WMF is starting to work on this problem again; I'd like to be optimistic but I think that we should also plan for the possibility that these efforts will be unsuccessful.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Rogol Domedonfors domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
Pine
If the objects of the affiliate are compatible with those of the Foundation, then you could ask for a grant. If they are not, why would the Foundation even consider letting you raise funds on their sites.
"Rogol"
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder if WMF would be willing to let a non-WMF affiliate put up fundraising (which I consider to be another form of advertising, and perhaps some survey respondents did too) banners to get funds for COIN
and
related backlogs. Perhaps if the fundraising was done by a separate organization, then these efforts could be funded while minimizing the
risks
to WMF's legal protections.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com
wrote:
what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
I would sure like to know this.
I would also like to whether the Foundation could, hypothetically, hire editors to address the COIN and related backlogs (AFC, etc.) without endangering the safe harbor provisions; and if not, could a Chapter or User Group, if they were or were not using Foundation funds. Could the Foundation spin off an organization to address the issue separately as in WikiEd?
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
I find the slide <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:July_
2017_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting.pdf&page=22>
about whether or not people feel we are "free of advertising"
interesting
as we only got a 7.3 (with lower scores among younger readers).
We unfortunately are not free of advertising. There is a large and
appears
to be growing industry that sells Wikipedia articles / ads, which are mostly created through large groups of sock accounts. They also are involved with adding SEO links.
We are struggling to get a handle on this at the COI notice board <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_
interest/Noticeboard>,
which has seen over the last couple of days the listing of more than
a
hundred additional articles of concern, at SPI, and at WikiProject
Spam.
Would be useful to analysis just how significant this issue is, such
as
what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what
percentage
of
socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
James
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Katherine Maher <
kmaher@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi all —
Wikimania is coming, but before we get to Montreal, we are
publishing
many
more insights, reports, guides, and research from our work during
cycle
There's lots of good stuff and interesting insights (did you know
Spain
is
consistently one of the countries with the highest awareness about
our
projects and community?), and I encourage you to take a look. Here
are a
few new updates:
*New voices synthesis report.*[1] Are you looking to better
understand
New Voices projects? Start with this overview report — it summarizes
our
work across many teams: insights from research, a summary of 58
expert
interviews, expert convenings hosted by the Foundation and
affiliates,
design research findings, briefings on major trends that will impact
the
community like misinformation and emerging platforms, further
reading,
and
(of course!) references.
*July Wikimedia Foundation metrics meeting.*[2] During our July 27 meeting, we reviewed new research on brand insights about why people
do
(and do not) read Wikipedia, research that focuses on high-awareness countries as part of New Voices initiatives.
*Strategic direction committee update.*[3] We are working to
consider
what we have heard from the community and learned from research to
identify
what we want to achieve as a movement by 2030. We will share our
first
draft of the strategic direction with all of you in advance of
Wikimania.
We’re looking forward to your thoughts on the talk page!
*Wikimania movement strategy and events.*[4] Speaking of Wikimania,
the
Foundation is preparing 6 sessions related to the strategy process
in
the
official program. We will also offer you a physical location for
engaging
with the strategic direction: the Movement Strategy Space, open from Thursday through Sunday. The Space will host different working
sessions,
discussions, and the chance to re-energize for the coming weeks and
months
(we have some special things in store!). The conference organizers
are
also
preparing a remote attendee plan with live video and content for the conference overall, so you will be able to participate if you’re not
able
to come to Montreal. Please note that online registration ended July
31;
after that you can register on-site starting August 8.[5]
ভালো থাকবেন। (Bengali translation: “Stay well”)
Katherine
PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
Meta-Wiki.[6]
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Sources/New_Voices_Synthesis_report_(July_2017) [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ metrics_and_activities_meetings [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group [4] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030 [5] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Updates/23_June_2017_-_Update_19_on_Wikimedia_ movement_strategy_process
-- Katherine Maher
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IMO we need to work on the issue of undisclosed paid editing from a number of different sides:
1) We need to get the word out to the wider world that paying someone to write your Wikipedia article is inappropriate. We also need to publicly state which companies have been banned / blocked from editing Wikipedia for breach of our policies. This will hopefully direct people away from these companies if they search for a company to hire.
2) We need to improve detection. Part of this may include running more CUs when concerns are present, AI to pick up the pattern of paid editing / spamming, and creating a group of functionaries to address private details pertaining to UPE. Improving CU tools would also be useful.
James
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rogol,
Here are a few thoughts:
- I tend to think that WMF would need to worry about its legal protections
if WMF provided grants for content work. I am wondering if there is a way to work around that difficulty by having a separate organization do the fundraising.
- A separate organization that raises funds could not only address COIN
but could provide financial support for other areas of community work that WMF won't fund, such as other kinds of administrative work, and potentially content development and translation.
- However, I'm not sure that a new organization's funding and governance
could be made solid, reliable, and trustworthy. That's a difficult design challenge.
I'd be interested in thoughts from Doc James and others about how to scale up English Wikipedia's capacity to address COI issues.
A lot of problems would be solved if we could significantly increase our numbers of highly skilled, good-faith Wikimedians. I believe that WMF is starting to work on this problem again; I'd like to be optimistic but I think that we should also plan for the possibility that these efforts will be unsuccessful.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Rogol Domedonfors domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
Pine
If the objects of the affiliate are compatible with those of the Foundation, then you could ask for a grant. If they are not, why would
the
Foundation even consider letting you raise funds on their sites.
"Rogol"
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder if WMF would be willing to let a non-WMF affiliate put up fundraising (which I consider to be another form of advertising, and perhaps some survey respondents did too) banners to get funds for COIN
and
related backlogs. Perhaps if the fundraising was done by a separate organization, then these efforts could be funded while minimizing the
risks
to WMF's legal protections.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com
wrote:
what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
I would sure like to know this.
I would also like to whether the Foundation could, hypothetically, hire editors to address the COIN and related backlogs (AFC, etc.) without endangering the safe harbor provisions; and if not, could a Chapter or User Group, if they were or were not using Foundation funds. Could the Foundation spin off an organization to address the issue separately as in WikiEd?
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
I find the slide <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:July_
2017_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting.pdf&page=22>
about whether or not people feel we are "free of advertising"
interesting
as we only got a 7.3 (with lower scores among younger readers).
We unfortunately are not free of advertising. There is a large and
appears
to be growing industry that sells Wikipedia articles / ads, which
are
mostly created through large groups of sock accounts. They also are involved with adding SEO links.
We are struggling to get a handle on this at the COI notice board <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_
interest/Noticeboard>,
which has seen over the last couple of days the listing of more
than
a
hundred additional articles of concern, at SPI, and at WikiProject
Spam.
Would be useful to analysis just how significant this issue is,
such
as
what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what
percentage
of
socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
James
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Katherine Maher <
kmaher@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
Hi all —
Wikimania is coming, but before we get to Montreal, we are
publishing
many
more insights, reports, guides, and research from our work during
cycle
There's lots of good stuff and interesting insights (did you know
Spain
is
consistently one of the countries with the highest awareness about
our
projects and community?), and I encourage you to take a look. Here
are a
few new updates:
*New voices synthesis report.*[1] Are you looking to better
understand
New Voices projects? Start with this overview report — it
summarizes
our
work across many teams: insights from research, a summary of 58
expert
interviews, expert convenings hosted by the Foundation and
affiliates,
design research findings, briefings on major trends that will
impact
the
community like misinformation and emerging platforms, further
reading,
and
(of course!) references.
*July Wikimedia Foundation metrics meeting.*[2] During our July 27 meeting, we reviewed new research on brand insights about why
people
do
(and do not) read Wikipedia, research that focuses on
high-awareness
countries as part of New Voices initiatives.
*Strategic direction committee update.*[3] We are working to
consider
what we have heard from the community and learned from research to
identify
what we want to achieve as a movement by 2030. We will share our
first
draft of the strategic direction with all of you in advance of
Wikimania.
We’re looking forward to your thoughts on the talk page!
*Wikimania movement strategy and events.*[4] Speaking of
Wikimania,
the
Foundation is preparing 6 sessions related to the strategy process
in
the
official program. We will also offer you a physical location for
engaging
with the strategic direction: the Movement Strategy Space, open
from
Thursday through Sunday. The Space will host different working
sessions,
discussions, and the chance to re-energize for the coming weeks
and
months
(we have some special things in store!). The conference organizers
are
also
preparing a remote attendee plan with live video and content for
the
conference overall, so you will be able to participate if you’re
not
able
to come to Montreal. Please note that online registration ended
July
31;
after that you can register on-site starting August 8.[5]
ভালো থাকবেন। (Bengali translation: “Stay well”)
Katherine
PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
Meta-Wiki.[6]
[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Sources/New_Voices_Synthesis_report_(July_2017) [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ metrics_and_activities_meetings [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group [4] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030 [5] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ movement/2017/Updates/23_June_2017_-_Update_19_on_Wikimedia_ movement_strategy_process
-- Katherine Maher
Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street San Francisco, CA 94105
+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 <(415)%20839-6885> +1 (415) 712 4873 <(415)%20712-4873> kmaher@wikimedia.org https://annual.wikimedia.org
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On Wed, Aug 9, 2017 at 5:04 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
IMO we need to work on the issue of undisclosed paid editing from a number of different sides:
- We need to get the word out to the wider world that paying someone to
write your Wikipedia article is inappropriate. We also need to publicly state which companies have been banned / blocked from editing Wikipedia for breach of our policies. This will hopefully direct people away from these companies if they search for a company to hire.
How effective can this possibly be? That companies hire paid Wikipedia editors is old news and what would have been huge scandals about it ten years ago don't make headlines today. Setting up a name-and-shame system would simply lead to an arms race with paid editors offering premiums for stealth measures. That can't be what anyone wants.
- We need to improve detection. Part of this may include running more CUs
when concerns are present, AI to pick up the pattern of paid editing / spamming, and creating a group of functionaries to address private details pertaining to UPE. Improving CU tools would also be useful.
This is another arms race that we can't win. VMs make even the most sophisticated fingerprinting easily avoidable, and paid editors already use per-account port forwarding to bespoke proxies on residential ISP customers. As a machine learning task, I do not believe this is feasible.
Are you opposed to the idea of a separate organization to address paid advocacy for any particular reason?
James
On Tue, Aug 8, 2017 at 2:03 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Rogol,
Here are a few thoughts:
- I tend to think that WMF would need to worry about its legal protections
if WMF provided grants for content work. I am wondering if there is a way to work around that difficulty by having a separate organization do the fundraising.
- A separate organization that raises funds could not only address COIN
but could provide financial support for other areas of community work that WMF won't fund, such as other kinds of administrative work, and potentially content development and translation.
- However, I'm not sure that a new organization's funding and governance
could be made solid, reliable, and trustworthy. That's a difficult design challenge.
I'd be interested in thoughts from Doc James and others about how to scale up English Wikipedia's capacity to address COI issues.
A lot of problems would be solved if we could significantly increase our numbers of highly skilled, good-faith Wikimedians. I believe that WMF is starting to work on this problem again; I'd like to be optimistic but I think that we should also plan for the possibility that these efforts will be unsuccessful.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 11:05 PM, Rogol Domedonfors domedonfors@gmail.com wrote:
Pine
If the objects of the affiliate are compatible with those of the Foundation, then you could ask for a grant. If they are not, why would
the
Foundation even consider letting you raise funds on their sites.
"Rogol"
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 10:12 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
I wonder if WMF would be willing to let a non-WMF affiliate put up fundraising (which I consider to be another form of advertising, and perhaps some survey respondents did too) banners to get funds for COIN
and
related backlogs. Perhaps if the fundraising was done by a separate organization, then these efforts could be funded while minimizing the
risks
to WMF's legal protections.
Pine
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:20 AM, James Salsman jsalsman@gmail.com
wrote:
what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what percentage of socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
I would sure like to know this.
I would also like to whether the Foundation could, hypothetically, hire editors to address the COIN and related backlogs (AFC, etc.) without endangering the safe harbor provisions; and if not, could a Chapter or User Group, if they were or were not using Foundation funds. Could the Foundation spin off an organization to address the issue separately as in WikiEd?
On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:51 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com
wrote:
I find the slide <https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:July_
2017_Monthly_Metrics_Meeting.pdf&page=22>
about whether or not people feel we are "free of advertising"
interesting
as we only got a 7.3 (with lower scores among younger readers).
We unfortunately are not free of advertising. There is a large and
appears
to be growing industry that sells Wikipedia articles / ads, which
are
mostly created through large groups of sock accounts. They also are involved with adding SEO links.
We are struggling to get a handle on this at the COI notice board <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_
interest/Noticeboard>,
which has seen over the last couple of days the listing of more
than
a
hundred additional articles of concern, at SPI, and at WikiProject
Spam.
Would be useful to analysis just how significant this issue is,
such
as
what proportion of articles at NPP appear paid for? And what
percentage
of
socks / sock cases relate to paid editing?
James
On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 7:33 PM, Katherine Maher <
kmaher@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
> Hi all — > > Wikimania is coming, but before we get to Montreal, we are
publishing
many
> more insights, reports, guides, and research from our work during
cycle
> There's lots of good stuff and interesting insights (did you know
Spain
is
> consistently one of the countries with the highest awareness about
our
> projects and community?), and I encourage you to take a look. Here
are a
> few new updates: > > *New voices synthesis report.*[1] Are you looking to better
understand
> New Voices projects? Start with this overview report — it
summarizes
our
> work across many teams: insights from research, a summary of 58
expert
> interviews, expert convenings hosted by the Foundation and
affiliates,
> design research findings, briefings on major trends that will
impact
the
> community like misinformation and emerging platforms, further
reading,
and
> (of course!) references. > > *July Wikimedia Foundation metrics meeting.*[2] During our July 27 > meeting, we reviewed new research on brand insights about why
people
do
> (and do not) read Wikipedia, research that focuses on
high-awareness
> countries as part of New Voices initiatives. > > *Strategic direction committee update.*[3] We are working to
consider
> what we have heard from the community and learned from research to
identify
> what we want to achieve as a movement by 2030. We will share our
first
> draft of the strategic direction with all of you in advance of
Wikimania.
> We’re looking forward to your thoughts on the talk page! > > *Wikimania movement strategy and events.*[4] Speaking of
Wikimania,
the
> Foundation is preparing 6 sessions related to the strategy process
in
the
> official program. We will also offer you a physical location for
engaging
> with the strategic direction: the Movement Strategy Space, open
from
> Thursday through Sunday. The Space will host different working
sessions,
> discussions, and the chance to re-energize for the coming weeks
and
months
> (we have some special things in store!). The conference organizers
are
also
> preparing a remote attendee plan with live video and content for
the
> conference overall, so you will be able to participate if you’re
not
able
> to come to Montreal. Please note that online registration ended
July
31;
> after that you can register on-site starting August 8.[5] > > ভালো থাকবেন। (Bengali translation: “Stay well”) > > Katherine > > PS. A version of this message is available for translation on
Meta-Wiki.[6]
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > movement/2017/Sources/New_Voices_Synthesis_report_(July_2017) > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_ > metrics_and_activities_meetings > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > movement/2017/People/Drafting_Group > [4] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_2030 > [5] https://wikimania2017.wikimedia.org/wiki/Registration > [6] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_ > movement/2017/Updates/23_June_2017_-_Update_19_on_Wikimedia_ > movement_strategy_process > > -- > Katherine Maher > > Wikimedia Foundation > 149 New Montgomery Street > San Francisco, CA 94105 > > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 <(415)%20839-6885> > +1 (415) 712 4873 <(415)%20712-4873> > kmaher@wikimedia.org > https://annual.wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Strategy mailing list > Strategy@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/strategy > >
-- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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