Hey John. Not sure we why at WMC should be interested? Can you explain further...
James Heilman Wikimedia Canada
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- Re: Spanish website blocking law implemented (emijrp)
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- Re: Spanish website blocking law implemented (Kim Bruning)
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Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 20:02:32 +0100 From: emijrp emijrp@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Spanish website blocking law implemented To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAPgALA73SE0QBZBbDSvokfk-3Q_CTUXjU4uXZ5FrtTKMshK-qw@mail.gmail.com
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http://gigaom.com/2012/01/04/how-spains-version-of-sopa-is-setting-the-web-o...
2012/1/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
emijrp, 04/01/2012 18:59:
With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain can
block
any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that _links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or whatever. Without a judge.
That's entirely different!
For further details, search for an analysis.
The slashdot post links end up to a 6 months old WSJ article, is there some more recent one you recommend? (Also Spanish.) Thanks, Nemo
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On 4 January 2012 16:24, Oliver Keyes okeyes@wikimedia.org wrote:
Check the IP history; Jan-Bart added them ;p
Now I'm on an actual computer and not trying to go through page histories on my phone, I've taken a closer look. The bit about being truthful was in the initial version. The other bit is the result of edits from several people (including me, although I'm not sure any of my wording survived the process).
Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2012 14:48:03 -0800 From: Steven Walling swalling@wikimedia.org Subject: [Foundation-l] Reminder: IRC office hours with the WMF features team, Jan. 4th 2012 To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAMryOMW11Gy7EPA=6iUMQsGPe4jmTkGziD8PD=Vgm9Bk=Wcfxg@mail.gmail.com
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Reminder that this is happening at 23:00 in #wikimedia-office.
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Hey everyone,
Since folks have been asking about it, I wanted to announce that the features development team at the Wikimedia Foundation will be holding an office hours (in #wikimedia-office) about the general past, present, and future of MediaWiki features being worked on here at the WMF.
This will be on January 4th, 2012 at 23:00 UTC. Documentation is on Meta for time conversion and IRC how-tos.[1]
-- Steven Walling Community Organizer at Wikimedia Foundation wikimediafoundation.org
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Message: 4 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 17:29:09 +0100 From: Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Spanish website blocking law implemented To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 20120105172909.A22444@bruning.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:02:32PM +0100, emijrp wrote:
http://gigaom.com/2012/01/04/how-spains-version-of-sopa-is-setting-the-web-o...
2012/1/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
emijrp, 04/01/2012 18:59:
With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain can
block
any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that _links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or
whatever.
Without a judge.
More links off of slashdot:
http://torrentfreak.com/us-threatened-to-blacklist-spain-for-not-implementin...
To make a long story short, the USA is already pushing for SOPA in other countries. The game is afoot. I wonder if we've missed other countries that might implement similar legislation soon?
In any case, it might be a good idea to check how and if the new spanish laws (will) affect WMF, and what measures need to be taken to stay safe for now.
sincerely, Kim Bruning
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Message: 5 Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 18:27:12 +0100 From: Christophe Henner christophe.henner@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Spanish website blocking law implemented To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAFaJbjeeY6-R_8T2Ox4P3oCPR5Qo4eEMYTp61fqzuaVRY1P9XQ@mail.gmail.com
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In France we we're that far [me showing a little space between my fingers] to get a similar law in 2006 and 2009. The law passed but all the "site blocking" things were removed following some lobbying (in which WMFr did not take part but some of the members did on a personal level).
All the plan for similar laws has been postponed due to the 2012 elections (presidential and parliement) but we know lobbyist are pushing forward to get it back on track. They actualy tried to had it through our online gambling law, but failed.
Christophe
On 5 January 2012 17:29, Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Wed, Jan 04, 2012 at 08:02:32PM +0100, emijrp wrote:
http://gigaom.com/2012/01/04/how-spains-version-of-sopa-is-setting-the-web-o...
2012/1/4 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com
emijrp, 04/01/2012 18:59:
With this law, a special team in the Ministry of Culture of Spain
can
block
any (for-profit or non-profit) website, from Spain or overseas, that _links_ to copyrighted works. Including Google, Wikipedia or
whatever.
Without a judge.
More links off of slashdot:
http://torrentfreak.com/us-threatened-to-blacklist-spain-for-not-implementin...
To make a long story short, the USA is already pushing for SOPA in other
countries. The game is afoot. I wonder if we've missed other countries that might
implement similar legislation soon?
In any case, it might be a good idea to check how and if the new spanish
laws (will) affect WMF, and what measures need to be taken to stay safe for now.
sincerely, ? ? ? ?Kim Bruning
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Message: 6 Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 19:14:18 +0100 From: Kim Bruning kim@bruning.xs4all.nl Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Spanish website blocking law implemented To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: 20120106191418.A30118@bruning.lan Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
And canada is considering pushing back the public domain 20 years, under ... us influence yet again.
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6225/125/(Proposed and existing) US policy (foreign and domestic) is not really in favor of wikimedia at the moment, is it? :-/
sincerely, Kim Bruning --
Message: 7 Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2012 09:35:42 +1100 From: John Vandenberg jayvdb@gmail.com Subject: [Foundation-l] Canadian consultation on Trans Pacific Partnership To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Wikimedia Canada list wikimedia-ca@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: <CAO9U_Z6T5AVza5O01RBwbiKCqk7NBCG=ZB_HdC4nQk_1Hgvd4A@mail.gmail.com
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subject was: Spanish website blocking law implemented
Canadian public consultation on TPP closes February 14, 2012.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Pacific_Partnership
Is WMF and/or WM-CA intending to submit their views? How can we help!?
Do we have a list of submissions to govt.by the Wikimedia community? e.g. there was an EU submission last year, and here is a WM-AU one
http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/Submission_on_Australian_Digital_Future_Dir...
John Vandenberg DEPARTMENT OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS AND INTERNATIONAL TRADE CONSULTATIONS ON POTENTIAL FREE TRADE AGREEMENT NEGOTIATIONS WITH TRANS-PACIFIC PARTNERSHIP MEMBERS
The Government of Canada is seeking the views of Canadians on the scope of possible free trade negotiations between Canada and Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) members, which include
- Australia
- Brunei Darussalam
- Chile (see footnote
1)< http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2011/2011-12-31/html/notice-avis-eng.htm...
- Malaysia
- New Zealand
- Peru (see footnote
2)< http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2011/2011-12-31/html/notice-avis-eng.htm...
- Singapore
- United States (see footnote
3)< http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2011/2011-12-31/html/notice-avis-eng.htm...
- Vietnam
Additional countries have also expressed their interest in consultations on joining the discussions:
- Japan
- Mexico (see footnote
4)< http://canadagazette.gc.ca/rp-pr/p1/2011/2011-12-31/html/notice-avis-eng.htm...
This notice is part of the Government of Canada?s domestic consultation process with business, citizen-based organizations and individual Canadians, as well as with provincial and territorial governments, to obtain advice and views on priorities, objectives and concerns to help outline the parameters of this initiative.
Background
The Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) is a free trade agreement under negotiation to liberalize trade in the Asia-Pacific region. Nine countries are currently participating in the negotiations: Australia, Brunei Darussalam, Chile, Malaysia, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore, Vietnam and the United States. Japan and Mexico have recently announced their intentions to begin consultations to join the TPP. With the participation of Canada, Mexico and Japan, the TPP would represent a market of more than 775 million people and a combined GDP of $25.7 trillion (or US$24.9 trillion) ? a market larger than the European Union.
The intent of TPP negotiators is to create an ambitious, high-standard regional free trade agreement that covers a wide range of areas related to trade and investment. On November 12, 2011, leaders of the TPP member countries meeting in Honolulu, Hawaii, for the Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum announced the achievement of a broad outline of an agreement that would enhance trade and investment, promote innovation, economic growth and development, and create and sustain jobs. Nine rounds of negotiations have taken place.
Following review of the November 2011 outline released by TPP members, Canada notes the high degree of complementarity between what is being pursued in the TPP and the approach Canada takes in its own trade negotiations.
Additional information on the TPP can be found at www.ustr.gov/tpp (in English only).
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The Government is embarking on a public consultation process to allow all interested stakeholders an early opportunity to provide comments, input and advice on possible free trade negotiations with TPP countries (current nine members and other interested countries: Japan and Mexico). It is essential that the Government of Canada be fully aware of the interests and potential sensitivities of Canadians with respect to this initiative. We welcome advice and views on any priorities, objectives and concerns relating to possible free trade negotiations with TPP countries. In particular, we are seeking views with respect to the following:
- Opinions on areas of goods export interest (identified by Harmonized
System [HS]/Tariff codes, if possible), including products that would benefit from the early removal of tariffs and other barriers by TPP countries.
- Views on market access liberalization for TPP countries products
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- Advice on ?trade facilitation? issues (e.g. significant impediments
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Canadian suppliers and exporters to TPP countries, including the government departments, agencies or enterprises of interest and the goods, services or construction services that Canadian suppliers are interested in selling to those government organizations. Note that participation in government procurement may include bidding as the prime contractor or exporting goods and/or services to the prime contractor who in turn bids on government contracts.
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- Views and experiences with the protection of intellectual property
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- Views on other related issues not mentioned above.
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- the contributor?s name and address and, if applicable, his/her
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And canada is considering pushing back the public domain 20 years, under ... us influence yet again.
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6225/125/(Proposed and existing) US policy (foreign and domestic) is not really in favor of wikimedia at the moment, is it? :-/
sincerely, Kim Bruning
Message: 8 Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2012 16:11:24 +0400 From: "Yaroslav M. Blanter" putevod@mccme.ru Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] A fundraiser for editors To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Message-ID: a928845e4d5d105163894dd69f1c005a@mccme.ru Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
Actually, do we have somewhere a concise page with a list of say ten most urgent needs we need money for? Smth a banner can link to?
Cheers Yaroslav
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On 7 January 2012 07:47, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Hey John. Not sure we why at WMC should be interested? Can you explain further...
James Heilman Wikimedia Canada
I'm not John, but it's because of the copyright provisions.
If Canada signs onto the Trans Pacific Partnership, it would need to redo its copyright legislation to conform with it, which would likely extend Canadian copyright another 20 years, plus putting in place new measures around enforcement and new infringement penalties.
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6225/125/
Thanks, Sue
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:47 AM, James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Hey John. Not sure we why at WMC should be interested? Can you explain further...
Why wouldnt WMC be interested in changes to laws in Canada that reduce free cultural exchange?
Michael Geist does a great job of explaining it.
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6225/125/
Canada is one of the last remaining bastians against the US-led IP reforms occurring across the world. normalising at 70pma isnt the objective. As soon as all major nations are 70pma, we'll see a higher number adopted by some countries, and the other nations will be forced to normal again, at a higher number.
From a copyright perspective, Canada *is* a better hosting location
for Wikimedia projects (as opposed to US, at least). We should fight to protect that, so they have a good place to go if the US environment becomes a problem.
See also this thread
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/2011-August/004080.htm...
-- John Vandenberg
John Vandenberg, 08/01/2012 04:50:
On Sun, Jan 8, 2012 at 2:47 AM, James Heilmanjmh649@gmail.com wrote:
Hey John. Not sure we why at WMC should be interested? Can you explain further...
Why wouldnt WMC be interested in changes to laws in Canada that reduce free cultural exchange?
WMIT is interested, too, because the board has decided to move the semi-free and PD-Italy content hosted on biblioteca.wikimedia.it to wikilivres and we'd like Canada to be still able to host it...
Nemo
On 16 January 2012 14:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
WMIT is interested, too, because the board has decided to move the semi-free and PD-Italy content hosted on biblioteca.wikimedia.it to wikilivres and we'd like Canada to be still able to host it...
PD-Italy is broader than PD-Canada - would Wikilivres be able to?
- d.
David Gerard, 16/01/2012 15:15:
On 16 January 2012 14:08, Federico Leva (Nemo)nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
WMIT is interested, too, because the board has decided to move the semi-free and PD-Italy content hosted on biblioteca.wikimedia.it to wikilivres and we'd like Canada to be still able to host it...
PD-Italy is broader than PD-Canada - would Wikilivres be able to?
This is only about texts, not non-artistic photos.
Nemo
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 14:08, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
WMIT is interested, too, because the board has decided to move the semi-free and PD-Italy content hosted on biblioteca.wikimedia.it to wikilivres and we'd like Canada to be still able to host it...
PD-Italy is broader than PD-Canada - would Wikilivres be able to?
Basically, WM-IT hosts a small library with works of Italian authors which are PD in Italy but not in the US. Basically, in Italy it's PD 70 years after the author's death, but the works were published after 1923, so they are still (c) in the US. The idea is to avoid duplicating efforts when wikilivres is already there. Cruccone
On 01/16/12 8:10 AM, Marco Chiesa wrote:
On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:15 PM, David Gerarddgerard@gmail.com wrote:
On 16 January 2012 14:08, Federico Leva (Nemo)nemowiki@gmail.com wrote:
WMIT is interested, too, because the board has decided to move the semi-free and PD-Italy content hosted on biblioteca.wikimedia.it to wikilivres and we'd like Canada to be still able to host it...
PD-Italy is broader than PD-Canada - would Wikilivres be able to?
Basically, WM-IT hosts a small library with works of Italian authors which are PD in Italy but not in the US. Basically, in Italy it's PD 70 years after the author's death, but the works were published after 1923, so they are still (c) in the US. The idea is to avoid duplicating efforts when wikilivres is already there. Cruccone
Much to the dismay of the copyright industry Canadian copyrights for 50 years after the author's death. Amazingly, despite having a conservative government there is broad support for the currently pending changes to the Copyright Act, except in one key area. The changes would, among other things, expand fair dealing and distinguish between commercial and non-commercial infringement. The penalties for non-commercial infringement would be significantly lower. The one area of raging controversy has to do with digital rights managements (DRM). This would make it illegal to break digital locks even when the purpose for doing so has nothing to do with copyright infringement. In the near foreseeable future this is not likely to affect Wikilivres to any significant extent.
Negotiations have started on the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) agreement, mostly at the behest of the United States. This would cover a broad range of trade issues to the benefit of US industry. Patents and copyrights are only a part of it. Canada has not heretofore been a party to these negotiations, but the government wants to join. Most recently, the US wants to see Canadian law changed to remove different irritants relating to intellectual property before it gives its consent to join the talks. See http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6243/125/#comments
I don't see any clear direction developing on TPP for quite some time. Towards this the government has already dissolved the Canadian Wheat Board (a grain marketing consortium) but that is facing court challenges. How much controversy can they withstand?
Ray
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