---------- From: Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2011 18:34:48 -0500 To: Sue Gardner sgardner@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Nine Reasons Women Don't Edit Wikipedia
On 20 February 2011 14:24, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Sue, as you know, this is the area of my greatest concern regarding the future of the Wikipedia Project. The gender gap is a part of the larger problem you described above: That of a combative, hostile and defensive culture that presents an unchecked arena for Community Member harassment and abuse - that prevents the type of healthy, intelligent and productive collaboration that can, and will, improve and maintain the quality of the Project. Is there, are there, plans to mount a similar initiative to tackle this larger problem? To approach it as a gender-neutral problem?
on 2/20/11 5:46 PM, Sue Gardner at sgardner@wikimedia.org wrote:
Yes, absolutely. And it's not just plans: people are actively working on the issue, today. This is the primary work of the Community department at the Wikimedia Foundation -- the staff there are currently working with community members on a bunch of projects and activities to help make the Wikimedia projects more inclusive. A lot of that is happening on the outreach wiki -- for example, the Account Creation improvement project, the Bookshelf project, the Ambassador program, support for student campus associations, and so forth.
http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Account_Creation_Improvement_Project http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Bookshelf_Project http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Ambassador_Program http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_student_clubs
There's also some outreach-related/outreach-supportive activities that have been announced on the Wikimedia blog:
http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2011/01/12/new-wikimedia-fellow/ http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2010/11/30/upload-wizard-launches-beta-wikime... a-commons/
http://blog.wikimedia.org/blog/2010/09/30/two-new-community-department-fello ws> /
I agree with you Marc that our central challenge is the need for deep culture change, to help Wikimedia be more inclusive and open. I think the gender challenge is part of that, but it's obviously not the whole story: we need more women, and we also need more editors from outside North America and Europe, as well as other underrepresented groups. And we want current editors to be having better, more positive experiences on the projects, as well.
Thanks, Sue
Thank you, for this, Sue. And, at the most basic level, we a faced with the reality that this cultural change can only begin, and grow, at the most basic level: The individual. Sue, there are key persons in the Project that, by virtue of their official position or, simply because they are more frequently vocal on the various Project conversation sites, who must lead by example. Each one must be actively working toward this healthier culture. They, and all of us, must set the tone. I truly believe that if the climate is healthy, the culture will be also.
Marc
On 20 February 2011 14:24, Marc Riddell michaeldavid86@comcast.net wrote:
Sue, as you know, this is the area of my greatest concern regarding the future of the Wikipedia Project. The gender gap is a part of the larger problem you described above: That of a combative, hostile and defensive culture that presents an unchecked arena for Community Member harassment and abuse
on 2/20/11 5:46 PM, Sue Gardner at sgardner@wikimedia.org wrote:
Yes, absolutely. And it's not just plans: people are actively working on the issue, today. This is the primary work of the Community department at the Wikimedia Foundation -- the staff there are currently working with community members on a bunch of projects and activities to help make the Wikimedia projects more inclusive.
I think it requires community inreach, more than outreach.
We're sinking under the weight here of a thousand petty rules, or good rules applied with no common sense. So we have image policies that seek the deletion of Holocaust photographs because we can't establish that they're freely licenced. I mention that only as an example that I've had to deal with many times, but there are examples like it in every area Wikipedia -- editors being forced jump through byzantine hoops to achieve the most basic of editorial functions.
It's losing us editors, particularly content contributors and older editors (and by older I mean only 30 plus), and it must be failing to gain us others.
Sarah
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