The Village Pump discussion
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wikiquote:Village_pump#Copyright_guidelines_for...
shows that en Wikiquote hasn't really understood that the massive copyright violations and the violation of the WMF licensing policy restricting the EDP media to a minimum cannot be tolerated longer.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Seinfeld has 1000+ quotes. In the future a limit of 5 quotes per episode is planned. Let aside the unsorted quotes the result would be that the article would have 180 x 5 = 900 quotes. I personally cannot imagine an US court accepting these number as "fair use" and I cannot see any educational use of these quotations legitimating an exception from our policy.
Here is an interesting Quote (with educational value):
"A company published a book of trivia questions about the events and characters of the "Seinfeld" television series. The book included questions based upon events and characters in 84 "Seinfeld" episodes and used actual dialogue from the show in 41 of the book's questions. Important factors: As in the "Twin Peaks" case, the book affected the owner's right to make derivative "Seinfeld" works such as trivia books. ( Castle Rock Entertainment, Inc. v. Carol Publ. Group, 150 F.3d 132 (2d Cir. 1998).)"
I would like to ask WMF board and its lawyer to give legal advice to the en WQ project.
Klaus Graf
I personally cannot imagine an US court accepting these number as "fair use" and I cannot see any educational use of these quotations legitimating an exception from our policy.
I'm afraid I don't understand how we reconcile the principle that WMF is supposed to provide freely-licensed content, and the Wikiquote project is apparently chock-full of so-called fair use. This is far worse than simply incorporating fair use media (which is not permitted on many projects for principled reasons). I can understand a Wikiquote containing quotes which have fallen out of copyright and I think such a project would be wonderful. But using fair use to compile quotes seems to me to be a bad idea regardless of how many there are. So whether a court would accept a fair use defence is rather immaterial to me - I am more concerned with the principle of having an entire article/page of solely fair use content. For a WMF project, this seems nonsensical.
Mike
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:58 PM, mike.lifeguard mike.lifeguard@gmail.com wrote:
I personally cannot imagine an US court accepting these number as "fair use" and I cannot see any educational use of these quotations legitimating an exception from our policy.
I'm afraid I don't understand how we reconcile the principle that WMF is supposed to provide freely-licensed content, and the Wikiquote project is apparently chock-full of so-called fair use. This is far worse than simply incorporating fair use media (which is not permitted on many projects for principled reasons). I can understand a Wikiquote containing quotes which have fallen out of copyright and I think such a project would be wonderful. But using fair use to compile quotes seems to me to be a bad idea regardless of how many there are. So whether a court would accept a fair use defence is rather immaterial to me - I am more concerned with the principle of having an entire article/page of solely fair use content. For a WMF project, this seems nonsensical.
Mike
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Exactly. While there is certainly merit in collecting free quotes (mostly from the public domain), it makes no sense that such blanket fair use would be seen as acceptable to the core mission of providing _free_ content.
We have a policy to limit fair use media, why not one for text?
-Chad
Hoi, You can take more pictures of the same subject, you cannot have a bon mot repeated in a same way. If that is not obvious, what is.. Thanks, GerardM
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 12:48 AM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 5:58 PM, mike.lifeguard mike.lifeguard@gmail.com wrote:
I personally cannot imagine an US court accepting these number as "fair use" and I cannot see any educational use of these quotations legitimating an exception from our policy.
I'm afraid I don't understand how we reconcile the principle that WMF is supposed to provide freely-licensed content, and the Wikiquote project is apparently chock-full of so-called fair use. This is far worse than
simply
incorporating fair use media (which is not permitted on many projects for principled reasons). I can understand a Wikiquote containing quotes which have fallen out of copyright and I think such a project would be
wonderful.
But using fair use to compile quotes seems to me to be a bad idea
regardless
of how many there are. So whether a court would accept a fair use defence
is
rather immaterial to me - I am more concerned with the principle of
having
an entire article/page of solely fair use content. For a WMF project,
this
seems nonsensical.
Mike
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Exactly. While there is certainly merit in collecting free quotes (mostly from the public domain), it makes no sense that such blanket fair use would be seen as acceptable to the core mission of providing _free_ content.
We have a policy to limit fair use media, why not one for text?
-Chad
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