Hey All
On the English Wikipedia we are having a RfC regarding what is allowed when trying to address undisclosed paid promotional editing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Can_other_site_accou...
Specifically we are discussing if this statement is allowed "Here we have someone who is buying an article on Anthony LaPine. They have already bought an article on HipLink and this sock created it UserJuliecameo3 who is already blocked."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/No...
Or are no external links to other accounts allowed to be linked to Wikipedia?
Best -- James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com
James,
The proper body to ask this question is Ombudsmen Commission.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
Cheers,
2016-07-01 8:47 GMT+02:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Hey All
On the English Wikipedia we are having a RfC regarding what is allowed when trying to address undisclosed paid promotional editing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Can_other_site_accou...
Specifically we are discussing if this statement is allowed "Here we have someone who is buying an article on Anthony LaPine. They have already bought an article on HipLink and this sock created it UserJuliecameo3 who is already blocked."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/No...
Or are no external links to other accounts allowed to be linked to Wikipedia?
Best
James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
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I believe it is important for the community as a whole to have a transparent discussion around the issues of privacy and undisclosed paid promotional editing. The topic is not a single issue of enforcement but about what rules we wish to put in place and where we wish to draw the line between the various policies. I disagree with having one or two dozen editors decide things behind closed doors.
Legal at the WMF has stated "It is not a violation of the Wikimedia privacy policy for editors to post links to public information about other editors... Posting links to public information on other sites is a question of balancing this underlying principle, not a direct violation of the privacy policy. It's up to community consensus here to decide when the harassment policy should allow editors to reasonably link to public information on other sites." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Note_from_Wikimedia_...
James
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 9:24 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polimerek@gmail.com wrote:
James,
The proper body to ask this question is Ombudsmen Commission.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
Cheers,
2016-07-01 8:47 GMT+02:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Hey All
On the English Wikipedia we are having a RfC regarding what is allowed
when
trying to address undisclosed paid promotional editing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Can_other_site_accou...
Specifically we are discussing if this statement is allowed "Here we have someone who is buying an article on Anthony LaPine. They have already bought an article on HipLink and this sock created it UserJuliecameo3 who is already blocked."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/No...
Or are no external links to other accounts allowed to be linked to Wikipedia?
Best
James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Hi Tomasz,
The Ombudsman Commission's scope, as I understand it, includes investigations of violations of the privacy policy under certain circumstances. So far as I know, the OC does not *create or modify* the policies that it is tasked to enforce, much like how most police departments don't create or modify the laws that they enforce. Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
That said, because the scope of this RfC is specific to ENWP, I believe that the best list for an email discussion would probably be WikiEN-l.
Thanks,
Pine James,
The proper body to ask this question is Ombudsmen Commission.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
Cheers,
2016-07-01 8:47 GMT+02:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Hey All
On the English Wikipedia we are having a RfC regarding what is allowed
when
trying to address undisclosed paid promotional editing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Can_other_site_accou...
Specifically we are discussing if this statement is allowed "Here we have someone who is buying an article on Anthony LaPine. They have already bought an article on HipLink and this sock created it UserJuliecameo3 who is already blocked."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/No...
Or are no external links to other accounts allowed to be linked to Wikipedia?
Best
James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Technically maybe, but wikien-l is pretty much long dead at this point.
On 2 July 2016 at 00:14, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tomasz,
The Ombudsman Commission's scope, as I understand it, includes investigations of violations of the privacy policy under certain circumstances. So far as I know, the OC does not *create or modify* the policies that it is tasked to enforce, much like how most police departments don't create or modify the laws that they enforce. Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
That said, because the scope of this RfC is specific to ENWP, I believe that the best list for an email discussion would probably be WikiEN-l.
Thanks,
Pine James,
The proper body to ask this question is Ombudsmen Commission.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
Cheers,
2016-07-01 8:47 GMT+02:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Hey All
On the English Wikipedia we are having a RfC regarding what is allowed
when
trying to address undisclosed paid promotional editing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Can_other_site_accou...
Specifically we are discussing if this statement is allowed "Here we have someone who is buying an article on Anthony LaPine. They have already bought an article on HipLink and this sock created it UserJuliecameo3 who is already blocked."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/No...
Or are no external links to other accounts allowed to be linked to Wikipedia?
Best
James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
-- Tomek "Polimerek" Ganicz http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Polimerek http://www.ganicz.pl/poli/ _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Yes, it's a very quiet list. However, I'm an advocate of being mindful of scope. I've long advocated for wiki-specific discussions to happen on the wiki and/or mailing lists which are best suited to them rather than Wikimedia-l unless an issue is escalating to a meta-type discussion. This is one of those discussions that, from my perspective, is best suited for a different venue. I'm not a list moderator though, so this is just a request/suggestion.
Pine On Jul 1, 2016 16:20, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Technically maybe, but wikien-l is pretty much long dead at this point.
On 2 July 2016 at 00:14, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tomasz,
The Ombudsman Commission's scope, as I understand it, includes investigations of violations of the privacy policy under certain circumstances. So far as I know, the OC does not *create or modify* the policies that it is tasked to enforce, much like how most police departments don't create or modify the laws that they enforce. Please see https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
That said, because the scope of this RfC is specific to ENWP, I believe that the best list for an email discussion would probably be WikiEN-l.
Thanks,
Pine James,
The proper body to ask this question is Ombudsmen Commission.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
Cheers,
2016-07-01 8:47 GMT+02:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Hey All
On the English Wikipedia we are having a RfC regarding what is allowed
when
trying to address undisclosed paid promotional editing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Can_other_site_accou...
Specifically we are discussing if this statement is allowed "Here we
have
someone who is buying an article on Anthony LaPine. They have already bought an article on HipLink and this sock created it UserJuliecameo3
who
is already blocked."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/No...
Or are no external links to other accounts allowed to be linked to Wikipedia?
Best
James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Paid editing is addressed in the WMF terms of service and is a problem that has confronted or will confront most of the prominent projects in the movement. An alert to an RfC regarding principles of broader import, and a small amount of linked discussion, seems to be a perfectly reasonable use of the list. Wikimedia-L need not be only announcements, messages of thanks and congratulations, and grousing about etiquette or WMF internal politics.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, it's a very quiet list. However, I'm an advocate of being mindful of scope. I've long advocated for wiki-specific discussions to happen on the wiki and/or mailing lists which are best suited to them rather than Wikimedia-l unless an issue is escalating to a meta-type discussion. This is one of those discussions that, from my perspective, is best suited for a different venue. I'm not a list moderator though, so this is just a request/suggestion.
Pine On Jul 1, 2016 16:20, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Technically maybe, but wikien-l is pretty much long dead at this point.
On 2 July 2016 at 00:14, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tomasz,
The Ombudsman Commission's scope, as I understand it, includes investigations of violations of the privacy policy under certain circumstances. So far as I know, the OC does not *create or modify* the policies that it is tasked to enforce, much like how most police departments don't create or modify the laws that they enforce. Please
see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
That said, because the scope of this RfC is specific to ENWP, I believe that the best list for an email discussion would probably be WikiEN-l.
Thanks,
Pine James,
The proper body to ask this question is Ombudsmen Commission.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
Cheers,
2016-07-01 8:47 GMT+02:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Hey All
On the English Wikipedia we are having a RfC regarding what is allowed
when
trying to address undisclosed paid promotional editing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Can_other_site_accou...
Specifically we are discussing if this statement is allowed "Here we
have
someone who is buying an article on Anthony LaPine. They have already bought an article on HipLink and this sock created it UserJuliecameo3
who
is already blocked."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/No...
Or are no external links to other accounts allowed to be linked to Wikipedia?
Best
James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l
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Hi Nathan,
Differing views about good uses of this list are fine. However, I have an optimistic view of the ideal uses and benefits of this list, which may include civil debates and a wide range of meta discussions. Having stated my views, and wishing to maintain a respectful tone, this is the last email that I intend to read or send on this thread.
Have a good evening,
Pine On Jul 1, 2016 16:47, "Nathan" nawrich@gmail.com wrote:
Paid editing is addressed in the WMF terms of service and is a problem that has confronted or will confront most of the prominent projects in the movement. An alert to an RfC regarding principles of broader import, and a small amount of linked discussion, seems to be a perfectly reasonable use of the list. Wikimedia-L need not be only announcements, messages of thanks and congratulations, and grousing about etiquette or WMF internal politics.
On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 7:36 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, it's a very quiet list. However, I'm an advocate of being mindful of scope. I've long advocated for wiki-specific discussions to happen on the wiki and/or mailing lists which are best suited to them rather than Wikimedia-l unless an issue is escalating to a meta-type discussion. This is one of those discussions that, from my perspective, is best suited
for a
different venue. I'm not a list moderator though, so this is just a request/suggestion.
Pine On Jul 1, 2016 16:20, "David Gerard" dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Technically maybe, but wikien-l is pretty much long dead at this point.
On 2 July 2016 at 00:14, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tomasz,
The Ombudsman Commission's scope, as I understand it, includes investigations of violations of the privacy policy under certain circumstances. So far as I know, the OC does not *create or modify*
the
policies that it is tasked to enforce, much like how most police departments don't create or modify the laws that they enforce. Please
see
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
That said, because the scope of this RfC is specific to ENWP, I
believe
that the best list for an email discussion would probably be
WikiEN-l.
Thanks,
Pine James,
The proper body to ask this question is Ombudsmen Commission.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Ombudsman_commission
Cheers,
2016-07-01 8:47 GMT+02:00 James Heilman jmh649@gmail.com:
Hey All
On the English Wikipedia we are having a RfC regarding what is
allowed
when
trying to address undisclosed paid promotional editing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Harassment#Can_other_site_accou...
Specifically we are discussing if this statement is allowed "Here we
have
someone who is buying an article on Anthony LaPine. They have
already
bought an article on HipLink and this sock created it
UserJuliecameo3
who
is already blocked."
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/No...
Or are no external links to other accounts allowed to be linked to Wikipedia?
Best
James Heilman MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian
The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine www.opentextbookofmedicine.com _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:
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