Can I second this one, we've run into it occasionally in WMAU outreach sessions as well, and it's always fun explaining why it's said "no" to someone without a foundation in computers or internet culture. A brief explanation of why it's happened and what to do in order to not lose your edit, made in simple language, would be lovely.
We do find that the best way to get around the account creation throttle is to get people to create their accounts beforehand. In a given class, there's usually one or two who don't get the message or are unable to do it, but they can usually be dealt with by the instructor without triggering anything.
Cheers, Craig
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:33:54 +0100
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I evade account creation by always making them log in first...
Periodically, with a roomful of users, we'll get told that an edit has been "throttled"; no further details, I think. It seems to happen with one or at most two editors at a time out of a dozen, but it can happen to different people later on. This happened several times in a couple of weeks in the summer (I only started workshops in June), and then occasionally since - including yesterday. I originally assumed it was related to external-link additions by new users, but I've seen it for no-link sandbox edits as well.
My guess is that this entails something to do with checking for multiple edits from the same IP at once, but I don't know if this is actually the reason, or if it can be disabled/whitelisted.
(It's the one I give, though! Corrections gratefully appreciated)
- Andrew.
On 13 Oct 2012 17:25, "Philippe Beaudette" philippe@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
As it is this combined with the "throttling feature" made for quite a bit of disruption to a session where we had ten people having
an
introduction to editing.
By "throttling feature", do you mean the account creation restrictions? If so, you know there are ways around that, right? Email me offlist, so as not to clutter the list, and I'll give you a pointer.
If you mean something different, disregard :)
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If you are planning an event it is fairly easy to get your IP address temporarily whitelisted from the account creation throttle. You just need to know your IP address that will be used.
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 8:55 AM, Craig Franklin craig@halo-17.net wrote:
Can I second this one, we've run into it occasionally in WMAU outreach sessions as well, and it's always fun explaining why it's said "no" to someone without a foundation in computers or internet culture. A brief explanation of why it's happened and what to do in order to not lose your edit, made in simple language, would be lovely.
We do find that the best way to get around the account creation throttle is to get people to create their accounts beforehand. In a given class, there's usually one or two who don't get the message or are unable to do it, but they can usually be dealt with by the instructor without triggering anything.
Cheers, Craig
Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 18:33:54 +0100
From: Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org, Philippe Beaudette pbeaudette@wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Please can someone put 50p in the meter Message-ID: <CAE4f== fLJhrgCK+9FTTTqMHSx1cGd+Ob50VXTom0+qCJrihKog@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
I evade account creation by always making them log in first...
Periodically, with a roomful of users, we'll get told that an edit has been "throttled"; no further details, I think. It seems to happen with one or at most two editors at a time out of a dozen, but it can happen to different people later on. This happened several times in a couple of weeks in the summer (I only started workshops in June), and then occasionally since - including yesterday. I originally assumed it was related to external-link additions by new users, but I've seen it for no-link sandbox edits as well.
My guess is that this entails something to do with checking for multiple edits from the same IP at once, but I don't know if this is actually the reason, or if it can be disabled/whitelisted.
(It's the one I give, though! Corrections gratefully appreciated)
- Andrew.
On 13 Oct 2012 17:25, "Philippe Beaudette" philippe@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 9:07 AM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequers@gmail.com wrote:
As it is this combined with the "throttling feature" made for quite a bit of disruption to a session where we had ten people having
an
introduction to editing.
By "throttling feature", do you mean the account creation restrictions? If so, you know there are ways around that, right? Email me offlist, so as not to clutter the list, and I'll give you a pointer.
If you mean something different, disregard :)
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On 14 October 2012 13:59, John phoenixoverride@gmail.com wrote:
If you are planning an event it is fairly easy to get your IP address temporarily whitelisted from the account creation throttle. You just need to know your IP address that will be used.
Is it possible to whitelist IPs from the "edit throttle", though? That one's the killer, and it's not really possible to workaround.
IPs shouldnt get hit with an edit throttle, (it is really really high)
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 14 October 2012 13:59, John phoenixoverride@gmail.com wrote:
If you are planning an event it is fairly easy to get your IP address temporarily whitelisted from the account creation throttle. You just need to know your IP address that will be used.
Is it possible to whitelist IPs from the "edit throttle", though? That one's the killer, and it's not really possible to workaround.
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On 14 October 2012 15:50, John phoenixoverride@gmail.com wrote:
IPs shouldnt get hit with an edit throttle, (it is really really high)
It doesn't seem it! Over the past few months, I've had it triggered four times in an hour in two workshops, and one or two times in perhaps four more. They're not all at the same location or using the same machines, though they were all using institutional networks. These are all new logged-in contributors editing from - presumably - the same IP; I've not had it happen to me in the same sessions, but that might just be chance.
These aren't very busy networks, however, and I can't imagine there's a vast flood of active editing coming from them at the same time as the workshop...
Is it possible to see where this is configured?
Next time you get said message can you take a screenshot and let us know, (it is by default somewhere over 60/edits per minute)
On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:25 AM, Andrew Gray andrew.gray@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
On 14 October 2012 15:50, John phoenixoverride@gmail.com wrote:
IPs shouldnt get hit with an edit throttle, (it is really really high)
It doesn't seem it! Over the past few months, I've had it triggered four times in an hour in two workshops, and one or two times in perhaps four more. They're not all at the same location or using the same machines, though they were all using institutional networks. These are all new logged-in contributors editing from - presumably - the same IP; I've not had it happen to me in the same sessions, but that might just be chance.
These aren't very busy networks, however, and I can't imagine there's a vast flood of active editing coming from them at the same time as the workshop...
Is it possible to see where this is configured?
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