I think, following this hullabaloo, you will find that FOX will be issuing a
directive to their employees saying that they are NOT allowed to use the FOX
network for making changes to wikis based on their personal knowledge and/or
beliefs and that anyone found doing so will suffer serious consequences :-)
I would expect senior management within FOX to have no prior knowledge of
any of this. Maybe I am naive in my opinions :-)
Best
Debbie
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[mailto:foundation-l-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf
Of jason safoutin
Sent: 21 August 2007 21:32
To: foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wiki Scanner & wikinews
Oh lets see... How about the little detail that
without confirming
evidence there is no reason to believe that an edit made
from a Fox IP
was an action endorsed by Fox?
With the widespread existence of things like open
wireless access
points we can't even be sure if any particular edit was made
by someone
employed by For or even using a Fox owned
computer.
Yet the Wikinews article seems to happily go on and describe every
action coming from a company IP was an action of that company.
"the BBC had edited", "FOX News, and its parent company, News
Corporation had a history of unproductive edits" "FOX also edited"
"the CIA had been editing" "FOX's edits" "AP had made a few
edits"
So would you also say that countless other
Wiki(p|m)edians
are editing
on behalf of their employers every time they edit
from home
and forget
to log out of their VPN? When they edit during a
coffee break?
Is the only thing protecting me of an accusation of "Greg's employer
defends Fox in Wikipedia Whitewashing scandal" the fact that Gmail
doesn't send IP addresses?
It's sad to see us peddling the same sort of
irresponsible
journalism
that we've seen from the commercial market on
this matter.
At least in
their cases we can give them a pass due to a lack
of
understanding of
the technology.
Whats your excuse?
My excuse...Do you know how IP address work? ONLY individuals
employed by FOX News Channel, or News Corp have access to
those IP addresses. ONLY employees are the ones who can log
onto the internet with those IPs.
Its simple. FOX News employees made the edits, as the tool
says, under FOX News IP addresses, only able tp be used by
employees. I or you or anyone else is not able to log onto
the internet and use their IP ranges. That is impossible.
This is not whitewashing. We did more than FOX. We did the
AP, Reuters, MSNBC, CNN, and BBC. and all of those agencies,
with the exception of FOX News were realitively clean in
terms of edits.
You see, before slam Wikinews and whitewash us, maybe you
need to use the WikiScanner tool and understand how it works
and also understand how IPs work as well.
Jason Safoutin, Wikinews writer, administrator.
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