Hi,
I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:
* Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster, but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability to devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs. This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing interfaces, will serve to address this need. * https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IdeaLab/Timeless
Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to take a look at the current version:
* Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page * To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of the Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page - you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some of the things you might do here, or simply append the string ?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look like in Timeless * Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might be able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better they will be.
I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our project interfaces.
Thanks,
Isarra
Hoi, What remains unclear is what it is that you aim to achieve. There are great possibilities possible but there has to be a focus.
One such focus would be that it helps us focus on the relations that an article has with with other articles. They are all or should all be related in Wikidata anyway. With a skin that helps in determining this you have a reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work for other projects. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:
- Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster,
but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability to devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs. This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing interfaces, will serve to address this need.
Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to take a look at the current version:
- Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.
org/wiki/Main_Page
- To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of the
Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page - you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some of the things you might do here, or simply append the string ?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look like in Timeless
- Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might be able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better they will be.
I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our project interfaces.
Thanks,
Isarra
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I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, is unclear? Let me know and I'll do what I can to improve it.
By 'other projects' do you mean third-party MediaWiki installs? I'm afraid right now the scope of the grant really only covers usage on Wikimedia projects, though wider applicability and adoption of Timeless is of course something quite important to me personally, and I'm glad to see interest on this list.
-I
On 29/03/17 07:02, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, What remains unclear is what it is that you aim to achieve. There are great possibilities possible but there has to be a focus.
One such focus would be that it helps us focus on the relations that an article has with with other articles. They are all or should all be related in Wikidata anyway. With a skin that helps in determining this you have a reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work for other projects. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:
- Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster,
but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability to devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs. This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing interfaces, will serve to address this need.
Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to take a look at the current version:
- Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.
org/wiki/Main_Page
- To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of the
Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page - you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some of the things you might do here, or simply append the string ?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look like in Timeless
- Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might be able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better they will be.
I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our project interfaces.
Thanks,
Isarra
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Gerard mentioned Wikidata, which collects interwiki and is a cross-wiki database, so to me it's clear that by "multiple projects" he meant just Wikimedia projects. This is specifically about focusing on cross-wiki collaboration.
Well, an interesting point. That issue is one of main points of our strategy consultations.
*Szymon Grabarczuk*
Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU Head of R&D Group, Wikimedia Polska pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_Lócesilion http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion
On 1 April 2017 at 05:18, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, is unclear? Let me know and I'll do what I can to improve it.
By 'other projects' do you mean third-party MediaWiki installs? I'm afraid right now the scope of the grant really only covers usage on Wikimedia projects, though wider applicability and adoption of Timeless is of course something quite important to me personally, and I'm glad to see interest on this list.
-I
On 29/03/17 07:02, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, What remains unclear is what it is that you aim to achieve. There are great possibilities possible but there has to be a focus.
One such focus would be that it helps us focus on the relations that an article has with with other articles. They are all or should all be related in Wikidata anyway. With a skin that helps in determining this you have a reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work for other projects. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:
- Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster,
but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability to devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs. This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing interfaces, will serve to address this need.
Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to take a look at the current version:
- Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.
org/wiki/Main_Page
- To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of
the Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some of the things you might do here, or simply append the string ?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look like in Timeless
- Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might be able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better they will be.
I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our project interfaces.
Thanks,
Isarra
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Isn't Wikidata mostly just used for language links on Wikimedia projects? That doesn't really affect the skin much.
-I
On 01/04/17 10:01, Szymon Grabarczuk wrote:
Gerard mentioned Wikidata, which collects interwiki and is a cross-wiki database, so to me it's clear that by "multiple projects" he meant just Wikimedia projects. This is specifically about focusing on cross-wiki collaboration.
Well, an interesting point. That issue is one of main points of our strategy consultations.
*Szymon Grabarczuk*
Free Knowledge Advocacy Group EU Head of R&D Group, Wikimedia Polska pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_Lócesilion http://pl.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Tar_L%C3%B3cesilion
On 1 April 2017 at 05:18, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, is unclear? Let me know and I'll do what I can to improve it.
By 'other projects' do you mean third-party MediaWiki installs? I'm afraid right now the scope of the grant really only covers usage on Wikimedia projects, though wider applicability and adoption of Timeless is of course something quite important to me personally, and I'm glad to see interest on this list.
-I
On 29/03/17 07:02, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi, What remains unclear is what it is that you aim to achieve. There are great possibilities possible but there has to be a focus.
One such focus would be that it helps us focus on the relations that an article has with with other articles. They are all or should all be related in Wikidata anyway. With a skin that helps in determining this you have a reason for another skin, a skin that will achieve greater quality for multiple projects. The only question I have is how your skin would work for other projects. Thanks, GerardM
On 29 March 2017 at 04:01, Isarra Yos zhorishna@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
I'm Isarra, a volunteer MediaWiki developer, and I've submitted a grant proposal to the WMF to support my work on a new responsive skin designed for the Wikimedia projects, Timeless:
- Abstract: A new skin, Timeless, has been deployed to the Beta Cluster,
but to make it worth eventual deployment to all projects, we need proper research into what's expected/needed from a better skin, and the ability to devote development resources to making it meet these expectations/needs. This grant, as part of a larger series of vaguely planned grants intended to work on many of the underlying issues with MediaWiki's user-facing interfaces, will serve to address this need.
Timeless currently exists as fairly basic prototype, but I invite you to take a look at the current version:
- Wiki specifically for Timeless: https://timeless-skin.wmflabs.
org/wiki/Main_Page
- To see what it might look/act like in production, there is a copy of
the Simple English Wikipedia on the Beta Cluster, where Timeless has already been deployed: https://simple.wikipedia.beta.wmflabs.org/wiki/Main_Page
you can create an account, set your skin to Timeless, and go through some of the things you might do here, or simply append the string ?useskin=timeless to the end of any page url to see what it would look like in Timeless
- Skin documentation: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:Timeless
If this looks like a project you would be interested in seeing happen, I would very much appreciate your feedback. This applies especially if you have any specific concerns about the skin or the proposal itself, or have faced particular problems on your own projects that you think this might be able to address, because the more of these are documented, the better they will be.
I look forward to working with all of you to redefine how we handle our project interfaces.
Thanks,
Isarra
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Isarra Yos wrote:
I'm a bit confused what you're asking. My proposal should be covering exactly what I aim to achieve. What, specifically, is unclear? Let me know and I'll do what I can to improve it.
The Vector skin was pushed forward as a usability initiative. For better or worse, constantly saying "usability" was effective, because after all, who could be against ideas from a usability initiative? Perhaps this new responsive skin for MediaWiki wikis needs a similar marketing strategy.
MZMcBride
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