Dear colleagues,
I personally think that this "Russian Wikiversity story" is primarily a grotesque replica of the so-called "Border Control" philosophy that was flourishing in Russian Wikipedia some time ago. It's a return fire of some kind.
One of implications of the "Border Control" philosophy is that one who overly criticises a project or its users, or insults its users (especially leaders) outside the project, should be banned from the project.
That is what happened here: one overly criticised Russian Wikiversity and mildly insulted its leader. And was blocked as a result.
However, everything has its good side: despite Yaroslav already makes mostly wise decisions, but now, when he knows what do the blocked users feel, it will help him to make even wiser decisions.
The "Border Control" philosophy is a bad idea... I don't share it, and I'm quite happy that Yaroslav has been unblocked.
Saying that, I completely agree that Russian Wikiversity has serious problems that have to be addressed.
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Vladimir Medeyko Vladimir.Medeyko@gmail.com wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I personally think that this "Russian Wikiversity story" is primarily a grotesque replica of the so-called "Border Control" philosophy that was flourishing in Russian Wikipedia some time ago. It's a return fire of some kind.
Could you possibly explain in more detail what this "Border Control" philosophy is and how it works?
Nathan
2010/8/22 Nathan nawrich@gmail.com:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 12:04 PM, Vladimir Medeyko Vladimir.Medeyko@gmail.com wrote:
Dear colleagues,
I personally think that this "Russian Wikiversity story" is primarily a grotesque replica of the so-called "Border Control" philosophy that was flourishing in Russian Wikipedia some time ago. It's a return fire of some kind.
Could you possibly explain in more detail what this "Border Control" philosophy is and how it works?
... I join this request. Also, could you please give the Russian name of this policy? I edit the Russian Wikipedia every now and then and i don't remember ever encountering it. (I must note that i barely edit outside the article space in ru.wp.)
Could you possibly explain in more detail what this "Border Control" philosophy is and how it works?
... I join this request. Also, could you please give the Russian name of this policy? I edit the Russian Wikipedia every now and then and i don't remember ever encountering it. (I must note that i barely edit outside the article space in ru.wp.)
In Russian, this is Философия блокировок. The story goes on for already several years with Vladimir clearly representing the minority: he failed to be elected in the Arbitration Committee for several (three?) times in a row, whereas those he criticizes get elected consistently. Elections are the only instance in Russian Wikipedia when voted are counted and are thus the only way to know whether the community finds somebody's ideas appropriate.
If somebody is interesting to know the other side I guess I can give the arguments (though I do not share this view completely, I was not involved in the original decisions), since the auther, EvgenyGenkin, left all WMF projects recently. The original essay has been edited to such an extent that now it does not represent anything.
Cheers Yaroslav
In Russian, this is Философия блокировок.
Sorry, I meant Википедия:Философия блокировок (http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%92%D0%B8%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%BF%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B...) which is the current location of the essay
The original wording, still used sometimes, is Защита границ
Cheers Yaroslav
On 08/22/2010 09:27 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote:
... I join this request. Also, could you please give the Russian name of this policy? I edit the Russian Wikipedia every now and then and i don't remember ever encountering it. (I must note that i barely edit outside the article space in ru.wp.)
It's a local meme. Generally it means "too strong administrative action which I don't like". Rarely it refers to essay ВП:ФБЛОК.
Nobody will tell what it actually is; if you ask different users, you will get different definitions which will contradict each other. For example, Vladimir claims that it means banning people for criticizing project itself; many people would say that it's nonsense and there never were such blocks on ru.wikipedia, yet some will agree with him.
--vvv
Under the Border Control philosophy Larry Sanger, to say nothing of others, would have banned me years ago. I've done plenty of work, in fact, most of the work I've done here, since then.
Fred Bauder
Dear colleagues,
I personally think that this "Russian Wikiversity story" is primarily a grotesque replica of the so-called "Border Control" philosophy that was flourishing in Russian Wikipedia some time ago. It's a return fire of some kind.
One of implications of the "Border Control" philosophy is that one who overly criticises a project or its users, or insults its users (especially leaders) outside the project, should be banned from the project.
That is what happened here: one overly criticised Russian Wikiversity and mildly insulted its leader. And was blocked as a result.
However, everything has its good side: despite Yaroslav already makes mostly wise decisions, but now, when he knows what do the blocked users feel, it will help him to make even wiser decisions.
The "Border Control" philosophy is a bad idea... I don't share it, and I'm quite happy that Yaroslav has been unblocked.
Saying that, I completely agree that Russian Wikiversity has serious problems that have to be addressed.
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