Renata St wrote: Wading into this discussion with a firesuit, I'd like to point out that my own experience in publishing a book based on content from a Wikimedia project (in my case it was the print publication of the Wikijunior Big Cats book on Wikibooks) I had a pretty nasty response from the WMF board in regards to the use of any Wikimedia trademark that I am gun shy from even mentioning that the content might have even a mention of a Wikimedia "trademark" like "Wikipedia". I'll admit that I made some mistakes in creating that book, including an assumption that the WMF could be listed as one of the "authors" and the nebulous issue of the use of the working title of the book on Wikibooks, which used the name "Wikijunior" prominently on the cover (presumably one of the invariant sections under the GFDL.... depending on how you interpreted that clause). Even so, the deliberate actions of the WMF board in this case killed this particular effort to independently publish on paper content from at least one Wikimedia project. I acknowledge that about the only real asset that the WMF has to work with in terms of fund raising is the licensing of their trademarks. Unfortunately, even now, the formal WMF policies in terms of when and where these trademarks might legitimately be used by 3rd parties without formally entering into a legal contract with the WMF is quite ambiguous and more akin to wondering what the legal limits of using any commercial trademark like "Coca-Cola" might be (is this even an illegal use of trademark)? From this experience, it is to me no small wonder that somebody trying to republish content from Wikipedia might even have some formal legal advise to simply not even mention that the content came from Wikipedia or any other Wikimedia website, and try to abide by the most strict interpretation of the content licensing (GFDL/CC-by-SA, ect.) that does exist. In my case, I would like to acknowledge the role of the WMF and the specific projects like Wikipedia, Wikinews, or Wikibooks that publications like this came from. But once burned, it becomes hard to come back and try again. No, I am not affiliated with Alphascript either, although it sounds like something I wouldn't mind trying to duplicate at some point in the future. As I said, I even tried. -- Robert Horning ____________________________________________________________ Workers Compensation Legal Advice. Click here http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYbk8p42wmusnomBznPalOW…