2008/12/5 Andrew Gray shimgray@gmail.com:

2008/12/5 Rand Montoya rmontoya@wikimedia.org:

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If you have the time and energy, take a look at this site notice here: http://dev.donate.wikimedia.org/index.php/Donate/Notice8a/en I'm looking for a few different/better ideas of what text should go on the left side (in place of the 250 million visitors/11 million articles). Right now there is strictly a data/numerical piece, but it can better.

Is there going to be something on the right-hand side?

Presumably the "Donate" button ... it was obvious to me, but evidently not to you.

My suggestion:

2 million images 11 million pages 250 million visitors Educating the world

- d.

2008/12/5 Finn Rindahl finnrindwiki@gmail.com:

2 million images?? There's currently 3,589,050http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics freely usablehttp://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Reusing_content_outside_Wikimediamedia files at Wikimedia Commons...

Whatever, pick a number :-D

- d.

effe iets anders wrote:

What about the total number of edits? Does anyone know that number? And I mean for *all* language versions together. Assuming an avg 10 edits/article:

110 million edits to write 11 million articles

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics gives 268 million+ for enwiki alone, but I agree that would be a good one.

The number of page views per second might also be interesting. I believe the number of total server requests per second average is something like 55,000, though that includes images, stylesheets, etc. I'm not sure how it translates into actual pageviews. Special:Search on enwiki alone gets about 240 hits/s at peak time.

2008/12/5 Robert Rohde rarohde@gmail.com:

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Statistics gives 268 million+ for enwiki alone, but I agree that would be a good one.

That 268M is for all edits, not just article edits.

"268,000,000 contributions" would be fun; probably ~500,000,000 for all wikis put together.

(A total aggregate edit counter for all wikis, updating on the fly, would be delightful to watch. But perhaps logistically impractical...)

McDonalds: serves 75 million people a month Wikipedia: 275 million

'nuff said.

Lars Aronsson wrote:

Andrew Gray wrote:

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"268,000,000 contributions" would be fun; probably ~500,000,000 for all wikis put together.

We're now very close to a mathematical definition of the idiom "my two cents", http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_two_cents_(idiom)

If every one of these 268 million edits was followed by a donation of 2 cents, we'd have the 5.36 million dollars that we need.

make it a random selection of 2 items from everything that has been suggested

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:47 PM, Kul Takanao Wadhwa <kwadhwa@wikimedia.org

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wrote:

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McDonalds: serves 75 million people a month Wikipedia: 275 million

'nuff said.

That we're more addictive than fast food?

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"14 articles on famous cows"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Famous_cattle

That's still gotta be way more than Britannica.

Thanks, Pharos

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Chad innocentkiller@gmail.com wrote:

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Pharos pharosofalexandria@gmail.comwrote:

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"2,434 articles on people born in 1908"

Ha!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:1908_births

Thanks, Richard

"347 articles on internet memes"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Internet_memes

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2008/12/5 effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com:

http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second)

Donate 4 million pictures 11 million pages 10 billion page views Educating the world

- d.

2008/12/5 Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com:

I think this is really fantastic, by the way. The "educating the world" has a lot of resonance for me and people that I talk with about Wikipedia.

How about:

11 million articles 150,000 volunteers Your faith in humanity -> Donate now

;-)

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:

http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm

More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second)

24 hour average HTTP request rate is 46347. So thats 120,131,424,000 HTTP requests per month. I have a hard time believing that we're averaging more than 12 HTTP requests per page view on average. I think something is inaccurate, and I think the HTTP request rate the more trustworthy number.

Brion Vibber wrote:

Gregory Maxwell wrote:

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On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 2:52 PM, effe iets anders effeietsanders@gmail.com wrote:

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http://stats.wikimedia.org/EN/TablesPageViewsMonthly.htm

More then 10 billion page views per month... (or 3900 page views per second)

24 hour average HTTP request rate is 46347. So thats 120,131,424,000 HTTP requests per month. I have a hard time believing that we're averaging more than 12 HTTP requests per page view on average. I think something is inaccurate, and I think the HTTP request rate the more trustworthy number.

Sounds on the right order of magnitude to me. I just tried a full-reload on a random short article with no images: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_J._Harlan

which totaled 25 HTTP requests (including the fundraiser notice banner):

1 HTML page 3 static style sheets 3 dynamic style sheets 4 static JavaScripts 2 dynamic JavaScripts 1 fundraising banner JS 3 fundraising banner images 8 UI images (logo, background, icons)

If you hit multiple pages, more of those will be cached, but you'll end up loading additional images as well.

At some point we'll probably do some more consolidation on the CSS and JS files that get loaded most frequently to reduce the number of server round-trips on a first hit.

-- brion

Based on Domas's pageview stats[1] for the past 14 days (11/21 - 12/04) we get an average of 4112 pageviews per second, 4.9 billion total views for the 2 week period. The results per day are available at [2].

Out of curiosity, I also checked the 3 days around the recent US election day (11/03 - 11/05), the average views per second was 4599, an additional 42 million pageviews per day on average (though that's somewhat misleading, as that range is only weekdays and the number of pageviews tends to decrease significantly on weekends)

[1] http://dammit.lt/wikistats/ Caution: fairly large page [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Mr.Z-man/views

On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:04 AM, Ray Saintonge saintonge@telus.net wrote:

Pharos wrote:

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"14 articles on famous cows"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Famous_cattle

That's still gotta be way more than Britannica.

Highlighting something like that isn't as outrageous as would at first appear. Adding a "Moo" sound to that would do even more. If it's changed frequently, it leaves people wondering what will appear next. When Google departs from its usual logo for some occasion it at least gets a smile from me.

In recognition of recent events* may I suggest:

--- Wikipedia — Educating the World* (*Except persons in the UK or China about materials which are subject to censorship by secret block-lists) ---

If you haven't heard: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=16569

I tried using proxies behind the great UK firewall to scan Wikipedia to determine what is and isn't blocked, but it seems that the firewalls are already overloaded and are failing a couple percent of requests at random, so it's hard to say. Doesn't bode well if it's already failing on a low traffic day.

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 5:53 PM, geni geniice@gmail.com wrote:

I don't think we want to bring attention to current events. In terms of finding what is blocked trying likely images rather than searching the entire wiki is probably the most useful method (found the current know issue after 3 attempts).

I've tried the obvious possibilities to the best of my ability. Unfortunately without constantly scanning it's pretty much unknowable. The system is capable of replacing text too (it's a full man-in-the-middle)... so we either have to take it on faith that nothing else is being done, or find a way to scan.

I've been told by that the lists used are rife with obvious example of technical incompetence (i.e. including session IDs in URLs, or outright invalid syntax). With that in mind we probably can't expect reasonable application even if we have faith that the intentions are good. For instance, the rule might be change to avoid the currently successful evasion of using the /w/ URL but in the process of doing that every article title with "virgin" as a substring might end up blocked. Our only option is to constantly scan if we don't want Wikipedia to be mysteriously missing content.