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Fred Bauder

4 Feb 2012 4 Feb '12

4:56 p.m.

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To list! Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -----Original Message----- From: dgerard(a)gmail.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:46:58 To: BÃ©ria Lima<berialima(a)gmail.com> Reply-To: dgerard(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Strike against the collection of personal data through edit links 3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what data is kept for how long? - d.

The exact time is confidential. Fred

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MZMcBride

4 Feb 4 Feb

10:19 p.m.

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Fred Bauder wrote:

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David Gerard wrote:

3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what data is kept for how long?

The exact time is confidential.

Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/>, which means it should be using the default, as defined at <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup>. From that file: --- # How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months --- The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion) was summarily shot down: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847>. That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants confirmed from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A lot of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking>? MZMcBride

Philippe Beaudette

10:27 p.m.

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MZ is correct: 3 months is the purge for Checkuser data. As to the rest of it, Diederick van Liere, our resident guru of data, will be checking into this, and will confirm back when we know exactly wht is intended by the devs for that data. I will say that generally speaking, the Foundation prefers to maintain the minimum data possible for the shortest period of time. Thanks, pb ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 philippe(a)wikimedia.org To check my email volume (and thus know approx how long it will take me to respond), go to http://courteous.ly/hpQmqy On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:19 PM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:

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Fred Bauder wrote:

David Gerard wrote:

3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what data is kept for how long?

The exact time is confidential.

Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/>, which means it should be using the default, as defined at < http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup>. From that file: --- # How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months --- The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion) was summarily shot down: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847>. That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants confirmed from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A lot of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking>? MZMcBride _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Béria Lima

10:30 p.m.

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you mean, I'm correct, because I'm the one who said 3 months ;) _____ *Béria Lima* <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484 *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>* On 4 February 2012 20:27, Philippe Beaudette <philippe(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Fred Bauder wrote: > David Gerard wrote: >> 3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what

data

is kept for how long?

The exact time is confidential.

Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/>, which means it should be using the default, as defined at <

http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU

ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup>. From that file: --- # How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months --- The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion) was summarily shot down: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847 . That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants

confirmed

from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A

lot

of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking>? MZMcBride _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Philippe Beaudette

10:34 p.m.

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Beria, MZ, and anyone else who said three months is correct. ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 philippe(a)wikimedia.org To check my email volume (and thus know approx how long it will take me to respond), go to http://courteous.ly/hpQmqy On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Béria Lima <berialima(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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MZ is correct: 3 months is the purge for Checkuser data. As to the rest of it, Diederick van Liere, our resident guru of data,

will

be checking into this, and will confirm back when we know exactly wht is intended by the devs for that data. I will say that generally speaking, the Foundation prefers to maintain the minimum data possible for the shortest period of time. Thanks, pb ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc. 415-839-6885, x 6643 philippe(a)wikimedia.org To check my email volume (and thus know approx how long it will take me

respond), go to http://courteous.ly/hpQmqy On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:19 PM, MZMcBride <z(a)mzmcbride.com> wrote:

Fred Bauder wrote: > David Gerard wrote: >> 3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what

data

> is kept for how long? The exact time is confidential.

Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/>, which means it should be using the default, as defined at <

http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU

> ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup>. From that file: > > --- > # How long to keep CU data? > $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months > --- > > The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion)

was

> summarily shot down: > <

http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847

. That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants

confirmed

from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A

lot

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Brandon Harris

10:51 p.m.

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(This may not be 100% accurate; the person who knows most about this is on vacation, but I'll try to explain to the best of my understanding.) Those weird URLs are part of a clicktracking process. It's a test to see how people go about editing the page *most often* (by section, or by edit tab) and further to see how effective various calls-to-action (such as those given by Article Feedback) are. The longevity of the data isn't something I can comment to but I'd be surprised if it lasted even 3 months. I do not know if there are identity markers connected to them but I wouldn't be surprised. To that end, the data is only useful in roll-ups, and wouldn't be something published anywhere except in aggregate. On 2/4/12 2:27 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote:

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Fred Bauder wrote:

David Gerard wrote:

3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what data is kept for how long?

The exact time is confidential.

Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at <http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/>, which means it should be using the default, as defined at < http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup>. From that file: --- # How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months --- The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion) was summarily shot down: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847>. That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants confirmed from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A lot of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: <https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking>? MZMcBride _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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