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-----Original Message----- From: dgerard@gmail.com Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 16:46:58 To: Béria Limaberialima@gmail.com Reply-To: dgerard@gmail.com Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Strike against the collection of personal data through edit links
3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what data is kept for how long?
- d.
The exact time is confidential.
Fred
Fred Bauder wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what data is kept for how long?
The exact time is confidential.
Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/, which means it should be using the default, as defined at http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup. From that file:
--- # How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months ---
The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion) was summarily shot down: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847.
That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants confirmed from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A lot of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking?
MZMcBride
MZ is correct: 3 months is the purge for Checkuser data.
As to the rest of it, Diederick van Liere, our resident guru of data, will be checking into this, and will confirm back when we know exactly wht is intended by the devs for that data. I will say that generally speaking, the Foundation prefers to maintain the minimum data possible for the shortest period of time.
Thanks, pb ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
415-839-6885, x 6643
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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:19 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Fred Bauder wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what data is kept for how long?
The exact time is confidential.
Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/, which means it should be using the default, as defined at < http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup>. From that file:
# How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months
The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion) was summarily shot down: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847.
That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants confirmed from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A lot of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking?
MZMcBride
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you mean, I'm correct, because I'm the one who said 3 months ;) _____ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
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On 4 February 2012 20:27, Philippe Beaudette philippe@wikimedia.org wrote:
MZ is correct: 3 months is the purge for Checkuser data.
As to the rest of it, Diederick van Liere, our resident guru of data, will be checking into this, and will confirm back when we know exactly wht is intended by the devs for that data. I will say that generally speaking, the Foundation prefers to maintain the minimum data possible for the shortest period of time.
Thanks, pb ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
415-839-6885, x 6643
philippe@wikimedia.org
To check my email volume (and thus know approx how long it will take me to respond), go to http://courteous.ly/hpQmqy
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:19 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Fred Bauder wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what
data
is kept for how long?
The exact time is confidential.
Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/, which means it should be using the default, as defined at <
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU
ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup>. From that file:
# How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months
The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion) was summarily shot down: <http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847 .
That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants
confirmed
from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A
lot
of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking?
MZMcBride
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Beria, MZ, and anyone else who said three months is correct. ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
415-839-6885, x 6643
philippe@wikimedia.org
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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Béria Lima berialima@gmail.com wrote:
you mean, I'm correct, because I'm the one who said 3 months ;) _____ *Béria Lima* http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
*Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir esse sonho. http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos*
On 4 February 2012 20:27, Philippe Beaudette philippe@wikimedia.org wrote:
MZ is correct: 3 months is the purge for Checkuser data.
As to the rest of it, Diederick van Liere, our resident guru of data,
will
be checking into this, and will confirm back when we know exactly wht is intended by the devs for that data. I will say that generally speaking, the Foundation prefers to maintain the minimum data possible for the shortest period of time.
Thanks, pb ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
415-839-6885, x 6643
philippe@wikimedia.org
To check my email volume (and thus know approx how long it will take me
to
respond), go to http://courteous.ly/hpQmqy
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:19 PM, MZMcBride z@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Fred Bauder wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what
data
is kept for how long?
The exact time is confidential.
Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/, which means it should be using the default, as defined at <
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU
ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup>. From that file:
# How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months
The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion)
was
summarily shot down: <
http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847
.
That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants
confirmed
from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A
lot
of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking?
MZMcBride
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(This may not be 100% accurate; the person who knows most about this is on vacation, but I'll try to explain to the best of my understanding.)
Those weird URLs are part of a clicktracking process. It's a test to see how people go about editing the page *most often* (by section, or by edit tab) and further to see how effective various calls-to-action (such as those given by Article Feedback) are.
The longevity of the data isn't something I can comment to but I'd be surprised if it lasted even 3 months. I do not know if there are identity markers connected to them but I wouldn't be surprised.
To that end, the data is only useful in roll-ups, and wouldn't be something published anywhere except in aggregate.
On 2/4/12 2:27 PM, Philippe Beaudette wrote:
MZ is correct: 3 months is the purge for Checkuser data.
As to the rest of it, Diederick van Liere, our resident guru of data, will be checking into this, and will confirm back when we know exactly wht is intended by the devs for that data. I will say that generally speaking, the Foundation prefers to maintain the minimum data possible for the shortest period of time.
Thanks, pb ___________________ Philippe Beaudette Head of Reader Relations Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
415-839-6885, x 6643
philippe@wikimedia.org
To check my email volume (and thus know approx how long it will take me to respond), go to http://courteous.ly/hpQmqy
On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 2:19 PM, MZMcBridez@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Fred Bauder wrote:
David Gerard wrote:
3 months I can live with :-) Can someone from WMF just confirm what data is kept for how long?
The exact time is confidential.
Err, no, I don't think so. It's not defined in the files at http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/, which means it should be using the default, as defined at < http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/trunk/extensions/CheckUser/CheckU ser.php?revision=106556&view=markup>. From that file:
# How long to keep CU data? $wgCUDMaxAge = 3 * 30 * 24 * 3600; // 3 months
The last attempt to change this value (without community discussion) was summarily shot down: http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki?view=revision&revision=40847.
That's only CheckUser data, though. I'm not sure what David wants confirmed from the Wikimedia Foundation. Different data has different expiries. A lot of it is permanent (e.g., revisions aren't going anywhere for the most part). I guess the question is specific to the ClickTracking extension: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ClickTracking?
MZMcBride
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