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White Cat

8 Sep 2007 8 Sep '07

2:47 p.m.

I think we really need to have some automation in dealing with these. Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such as the Chinese wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a more centralized block on open proxies. How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an open proxy? How likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to preform the task. I think a solution could be like the spam list - a centralized meta page for open proxy blocks. - White Cat

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teun spaans

8 Sep 8 Sep

4:57 p.m.

I think there are many countries in the world where people would edit rather through open proxies than directly through an easily traceble ip-address. See hrw.org and amnesty.org teun spaans On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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White Cat

5:36 p.m.

Unfortunately so do spambots. Especially on wikis with no admins present this is a serious problems. Please do not involve controversial sites such as hrw.org and amnesty.org to this discussion. Thanks. On 9/8/07, teun spaans <teun.spaans(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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block

on open proxies. How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an open proxy? How likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to preform the task. I think a solution could be like the spam list - a centralized meta page for open proxy blocks. - White Cat _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Anthony

5:29 p.m.

On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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English wikis too, since a lot of people in China can write and read English.

White Cat

5:37 p.m.

On English wiki open proxies are blocked frequently. This is because of the spam bots and it is a serious problem. On 9/8/07, Anthony <wikimail(a)inbox.org> wrote:

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On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

block

on open proxies.

English wikis too, since a lot of people in China can write and read English. _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Anthony

7:37 p.m.

On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On English wiki open proxies are blocked frequently. This is because of the spam bots and it is a serious problem.

Yes, it is, which is a good reason not to extend the problem to other wikis.

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On 9/8/07, Anthony <wikimail(a)inbox.org> wrote:

On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

block

on open proxies.

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Azdiyy

7:54 p.m.

if you don't have admins, get "bad" ones. they can do more damage. On 08/09/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Casey Brown

8:53 p.m.

On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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This discussion is completely premature. Last I checked, the 'Open proxies' page on meta was removed from its state of ''policy''. What you are talking about is surely doable, but we do not have a consensus on if to block OPs, let alone which types of proxies or what type of block. Another solution to the problem you bring up would be cross-wiki blocking by a certain user group like stewards. It would stop any vandal-script globally for a short amount of time. (vandals rarely use the same proxy twice). -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal emails sent to this address will probably get lost.

White Cat

9 Sep 9 Sep

12:47 a.m.

Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev blocks are not a solution, devs have far more important things to do and blocking open proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on my to do list if I were a dev. - White Cat On 9/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

block

on open proxies. How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an open proxy? How likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to preform the

task.

I think a solution could be like the spam list - a centralized meta page

for

open proxy blocks. - White Cat _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Casey Brown

1:10 a.m.

I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking themselves... On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

block

on open proxies. How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an open proxy? How likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to preform the

task. > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a centralized meta

page

for

open proxy blocks. - White Cat _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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White Cat

1:19 a.m.

Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before anyone brought it up. :) - White Cat On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking themselves... On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev blocks are

not

a solution, devs have far more important things to do and blocking open proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on my to do

list

if I were a dev. - White Cat On 9/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I think we really need to have some automation in dealing with

these.

> > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such as the

Chinese

> > wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a more centralized > block > > on open proxies. > > > > How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an open proxy?

How

> > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to preform

the

task. > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a centralized meta

page

for

open proxy blocks. - White Cat _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Casey Brown

2:12 a.m.

Ah, I see what you mean now. :-) On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before anyone brought it up. :) - White Cat On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking themselves... On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev blocks are

not

a solution, devs have far more important things to do and blocking open proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on my to do

list

these.

> > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such as the

Chinese > > > wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a more

centralized

> block > > on open proxies. > > > > How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an open proxy?

How

> > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to preform

the > > task. > > > > > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a centralized

meta

> page > > for > > > open proxy blocks. > > > > > > - White Cat > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > This discussion is completely premature. Last I checked, the 'Open > > proxies' page on meta was removed from its state of

''policy''. What

> > you are talking about is surely doable, but we do not have a

consensus

> > on if to block OPs, let alone which types of proxies or what type of > > block. > > > > Another solution to the problem you bring up would be cross-wiki > > blocking by a certain user group like stewards. It would stop any > > vandal-script globally for a short amount of time. (vandals rarely

use

> > the same proxy twice). > > > > -- > > Casey Brown > > Cbrown1023 > > > > --- > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal

emails

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effe iets anders

10:08 a.m.

I can imagine some better defenses against spambots, such as crosswiki-nuke and crosswiki-blocks :) (i.e. a steward could block for *all* wikimedia wiki's at the same time an IP) Requests have been made already, so if someone with coding abilities could take a look at it, please :) See http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11069 and http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 . Eia 2007/9/9, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>om>:

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Ah, I see what you mean now. :-) On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before anyone brought it up. :) - White Cat On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking > themselves... > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev blocks

are

> not > > a > > solution, devs have far more important things to do and blocking

open

> > proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on my to

list

these.

> > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such as the

Chinese > > > wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a more

centralized > > > block > > > > on open proxies. > > > > > > > > How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an open

proxy?

> How > > > > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to

preform

the > > task. > > > > > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a centralized

meta > > page > > > for > > > > open proxy blocks. > > > > > > > > - White Cat > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > This discussion is completely premature. Last I checked, the

'Open

> > proxies' page on meta was removed from its state of

''policy''. What

> > you are talking about is surely doable, but we do not have a

consensus > > > on if to block OPs, let alone which types of proxies or what type

> > block. > > > > Another solution to the problem you bring up would be cross-wiki > > blocking by a certain user group like stewards. It would stop any > > vandal-script globally for a short amount of time. (vandals rarely

use

> > the same proxy twice). > > > > -- > > Casey Brown > > Cbrown1023 > > > > --- > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal

emails

> sent to > this address will probably get lost. > > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Casey Brown

1:31 p.m.

Yup, that's what I was referring to. ;-) On 9/9/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Ah, I see what you mean now. :-) On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before

anyone

brought it up. :) - White Cat On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking > themselves... > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev blocks

are

> not > > a > > solution, devs have far more important things to do and blocking

open

> > proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on my to

list > if I were a dev. > > - White Cat > > On 9/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think we really need to have some automation in dealing with these. > > > > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such as the Chinese > > > wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a more

centralized > > > block > > > > on open proxies. > > > > > > > > How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an open

proxy?

> How > > > > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to

preform

the > > task. > > > > > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a centralized

'Open > > > > proxies' page on meta was removed from its state of > ''policy''. What > > > > you are talking about is surely doable, but we do not have a > consensus > > > > on if to block OPs, let alone which types of proxies or what

type

of > > > > block. > > > > > > > > Another solution to the problem you bring up would be cross-wiki > > > > blocking by a certain user group like stewards. It would stop

any

> > > > vandal-script globally for a short amount of time. (vandals

rarely

> use > > > > the same proxy twice). > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Casey Brown > > > > Cbrown1023 > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal > emails > > > > sent to > > > > this address will probably get lost. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Casey Brown > > Cbrown1023 > > > > --- > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal

emails

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White Cat

2:03 p.m.

Effeietsanders what about the local communities? If a local community disagrees with a global ban how will we handle it? On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Yup, that's what I was referring to. ;-) On 9/9/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Ah, I see what you mean now. :-) On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before

anyone > > brought it up. :) > > > > - White Cat > > > > On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking > > > themselves... > > > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev

blocks

> are > > > not > > > > a > > > > solution, devs have far more important things to do and blocking > open > > > > proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on my

> do > > > list > > > > if I were a dev. > > > > > > > > - White Cat > > > > > > > > On 9/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I think we really need to have some automation in dealing

with

> > > these. > > > > > > > > > > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such as

the

> > > Chinese > > > > > > wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a more > > centralized > > > > > block > > > > > > on open proxies. > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an open > proxy? > > > How > > > > > > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to > preform > > > the > > > > > task. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a

centralized

type > of > > > > > block. > > > > > > > > > > Another solution to the problem you bring up would be

cross-wiki

> > > > blocking by a certain user group like stewards. It would stop

any

> > > > vandal-script globally for a short amount of time. (vandals

rarely > > use > > > > > the same proxy twice). > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Casey Brown > > > > > Cbrown1023 > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing

lists. Personal

> emails > > > > sent to > > > > this address will probably get lost. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Casey Brown > > Cbrown1023 > > > > --- > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal

emails

> sent > to > this address will probably get lost. > _______________________________________________ > foundation-l mailing list > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > _______________________________________________ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

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Casey Brown

2:18 p.m.

Two options: * Add a "shut-off" for that block on the local wiki (like spam whitelist) --> bad solution, more work for devs, tool probably won't get implemented that way. * Trust the stewards to do what they need to do, a block would not be used for long, and it is only in cases of vandal bots or other extreme cases of vandalism that stewards would intervene on. It is no different from the current situtation (they sysop themselves on that wiki, block the user & delete his mess), it's just easier on the stewards to do it this way. On 9/9/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote:

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Effeietsanders what about the local communities? If a local community disagrees with a global ban how will we handle it? On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Yup, that's what I was referring to. ;-) On 9/9/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > I can imagine some better defenses against spambots, such as > crosswiki-nuke > and crosswiki-blocks :) (i.e. a steward could block for *all*

wikimedia

wiki's at the same time an IP) Requests have been made already, so if someone with coding abilities could take a look at it, please :) See http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11069 and http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 . Eia 2007/9/9, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>om>:

Ah, I see what you mean now. :-) On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before

blocks > > are > > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > solution, devs have far more important things to do and

blocking

> > open > > > > > proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on

to > > do > > > > list > > > > > if I were a dev. > > > > > > > > > > - White Cat > > > > > > > > > > On 9/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com>

wrote:

> > > > > > I think we really need to have some automation in dealing

with

> > > these. > > > > > > > > > > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such as

the > > > > Chinese > > > > > > > wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a more > > > centralized > > > > > > block > > > > > > > on open proxies. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an

open

> proxy? > > > How > > > > > > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to > preform > > > the > > > > > task. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a

centralized > > > meta > > > > > page > > > > > > for > > > > > > > open proxy blocks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - White Cat > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > This discussion is completely premature. Last I checked,

the

type > of > > > > > block. > > > > > > > > > > Another solution to the problem you bring up would be

cross-wiki > > > > > > blocking by a certain user group like stewards. It would

stop

any

> > > > vandal-script globally for a short amount of time. (vandals

rarely > > use > > > > > the same proxy twice). > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Casey Brown > > > > > Cbrown1023 > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing

lists. Personal > > > emails > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > this address will probably get lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Casey Brown > > > > Cbrown1023 > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal > emails > > > > sent > > > > to > > > > this address will probably get lost. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Casey Brown > > Cbrown1023 > > > > --- > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing lists. Personal

emails

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effe iets anders

3:52 p.m.

I think that this tool would be used only if there is a current case of crosswiki-vandalism, and not because we don't like them. In a perfect world, a community could opt out of course, but atm this is crisis management tools :) BR, Eia 2007/9/9, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>om>:

...

Effeietsanders what about the local communities? If a local community disagrees with a global ban how will we handle it? On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote:

wikimedia > > wiki's at the same time an IP) Requests have been made already, so

someone with coding abilities could take a look at it, please :) See http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11069 and http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 . Eia 2007/9/9, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com>om>: > > Ah, I see what you mean now. :-) > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before anyone > > brought it up. :) > > > > - White Cat > > > > On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking > > > themselves... > > > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev

blocks > > are > > > > not > > > > > a > > > > > solution, devs have far more important things to do and

blocking

> > open > > > > > proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on

wrote: > > > > > > > > I think we really need to have some automation in

dealing

> with > > > > > these. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such

open > > > proxy? > > > > > How > > > > > > > > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script

> preform > > > the > > > > > task. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a

the > > > 'Open > > > > > > > proxies' page on meta was removed from its state of > > > > ''policy''. What > > > > > > > you are talking about is surely doable, but we do not have

> > > > consensus > > > > > > > on if to block OPs, let alone which types of proxies or

what

type > of > > > > > block. > > > > > > > > > > Another solution to the problem you bring up would be

cross-wiki > > > > > > blocking by a certain user group like stewards. It would

stop > > any > > > > > > > vandal-script globally for a short amount of time.

(vandals

> > rarely > > > > use > > > > > > > the same proxy twice). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > Casey Brown > > > > > > > Cbrown1023 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing > lists. Personal > > > > emails > > > > > > > sent to > > > > > > > this address will probably get lost. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > foundation-l mailing list > > > > > > foundation-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > > > > > > http://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > Casey Brown > > > > > Cbrown1023 > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Note: This e-mail address is used for mailing

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