Most people in the world (or at least in the U.S.) use the terms "conservative" and "progressive" when talking about politics, and associate them with bundles of viewpoints on society, economics, religion, and so on. The political aspect is partly relevant to Wikipedia, too, but if we just take them as words with literal meanings, we'll have to talk about some other aspects, too. Here are the ones I can think of, in a mostly-random order:

Aspect1: Fact-checking, trust, and reliability

Fact-checking, trust, and reliability on Wikpiedia should be conservative, but in a way that is thoughtful and open to challenging itself. It's a difficult and often overlooked point. In non-wiki encyclopedias the writers are selected by the publisher: the publisher trusts the writers, and the readers trust the publisher's brand. I'm intentionally not saying "printed" or "old" encyclopedias, but "non-wiki" encyclopedias. They are still being produced, in print and digitally—see my Wikimania 2014 talk[1] for just one example.

Our wiki model wants to let everyone write, and writers are not pre-vetted, so our solution for trust is demanding reliable sources, which is why Wikipedia articles in many languages have a lot of footnotes. Other encyclopedias usually don't have footnotes, although some do have a "further reading" or "bibliography" at the end of some articles, but they are provided for further research and not for proof. The Wikpiedia attitude to sources, known as "Verifiability" in the English Wikipedia, solidified around 2005. It makes a lot of sense for a wiki encyclopedia, and it is one of our cornerstones, at least in the larger languages. (The details of the policy in each language may be different, but the general idea is the same. If it's significantly different in your language, please tell me.)

The problem with this attitude is that it outsources trust to other publishers: non-wiki encyclopedias, academic journals, newspapers and news sites, and occasionally other sources. The better-known issue with it is deciding which external sources are reliable. The less-known, but perhaps even trickier issue is what to do about topics that should be covered in an encyclopedia, but about which there is no coverage in what Wikipedia editors would call "reliable sources" because of systemic bias, that is because the people who are involved with the topic had historically less or no access to academic publishing? Some people propose relaxing the demand for external reliable source for such topics, and while I'm totally on board with the social justice aspect of this attitude, it doesn't suggest a solution to the trust problem: some people will use it to enrich Wikipedia with information that can't be found elsewhere, but some people may abuse it to add made up stuff.

I have a proposed solution for this problem, and although some people would disagree, I call it conservative: Keep the demand for verifiability, and help people who have been historically disadvantaged get access to trusted academic institutions and conduct and publish their research outside of Wikipedia first. The WMF and its partners can do it. It's not easy, but I just don't see any other solution to the trust issue. I call this attitude "conservative" because I want to preserve the trust in external knowledge institutions, and keep the "outsourcing". It's not exactly what the current strategy recommendation[2] says, and I respectfully doubt that that recommendation is going to work.

Aspect 2: Technology

Should be reasonably progressive, of course, in the sense of using reasonably modern design principles and implementations. We are outdated in some ways: talk pages are a disaster, the jQuery JavaScript framework is quite old (and is being gradually replaced), many templates are too difficult to maintain, code review and feature deployment are not as robust as they should be, and there are many other issues.

We shouldn't be *too* progressive, though: we should not jump on every buzzword bandwagon and not to change design concepts and development frameworks every year, as some sites do. It's probably good that we are not jumping on the blockchain bandwagon at all, and that we are jumping on the artificial "intelligence" bandwagon in a careful and measured way (ORES is helpful, but keeps the human decision in the loop).

Talk pages are a particularly curious kind of disaster. Many Wikipedians tend to be very conservative about them and don't want any technology changes in them, but talk pages are not a continuation of any previous tradition of encyclopedic writing or of Internet culture—they are Wikipedia's own invention. Is it good that the community, or at least some parts of it, is so conservative about it? Not really, and it causes serious damage as time goes by, but arguing with these passionate people is challenging.

Aspect 3: Presentation style

Should be conservative in the sense of continuing a centuries-old tradition of writing encyclopedias, but update things where needed. Here's a small thing we rarely think about: Why are the first words of an article written in bold font in Wikipedia in almost all languages? Because printed encyclopedias tried to save paper by combining the article title with the first sentence.

Should we remove this bold font because it requires a bit of effort in writing every article, and this effort adds up, and we don't need to save paper? No, we shouldn't. We do it out of respect to a tradition of encyclopedic typography, and it's worth the effort.

Another similar thing is the parentheses after the title in the first paragraph. Sometimes the part in the parentheses gets too long, and Kaldari described this problem in a brilliant and funny English Wikipedia Signpost article [3] . Like the bold font, it is also a typographic tradition. It has gotten out of hand in Wikipedia thanks to otherwise good things like the diversity of writers and the availability of fonts for various languages. Should we just kill it? Probably not, because this tradition is also mostly good, but we should move the excessively long stuff from parentheses to footnotes or infoboxes.

Should we "pivot to video" because "people don't read text anymore"? No. We should probably use more video where it's useful, but it doesn't replace text.

Should we use emojis in article text because "that's how young people write these days"? No, and not because emojis are "silly", but because they are good for expressing moods and emotions, and not good for documenting precise facts. Wikipedia is not about moods and emotions, but about documenting facts. If some day emojis acquire a clear, unambiguous meaning that is useful for describing facts, then maybe they can be used in articles.

Should we make articles shorter because people don't read long articles? Here my answer is Yes, but not by deleting everything except the first paragraph, as some people occasionally suggest, but by judicious splitting (English Wikipedia description of splitting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Splitting ).

Aspect 4: Political viewpoints

Should be neutral, of course, and neither conservative nor progressive. But "neutral" doesn't mean giving every weird point of view the same weight. There is a section on "Due and undue weight" in the "Neutrality" policy page in the English Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view#Due_and_undue_... . Other languages may describe it differently. Objectivity, neutrality, fairness, and balance are related, but not identical. It's, of course, one of the biggest challenges, but we are all trying, aren't we.

So, these are the four aspects of conservativeness and progressiveness I can think of when talking about Wikipedia. There are probably more.

[1] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Et4bFmql7dw&t=7m50s [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2018-20/Recommen... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2017-06-09/Op-ed

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‫בתאריך יום ד׳, 27 במאי 2020 ב-16:37 מאת ‪Ziko van Dijk‬‏ <‪ zvandijk@gmail.com‬‏>:‬

Dear fellows,

Some time ago, Joseph Reagle wrote that an encyclopedia must be progressive. In my personal view, something "progressive" sounds to me intuitively more sympathetic than something "conservative". But of course, these are only two words loaden with meaning, and reality is always more complex.

It seems to me that many Wikipedians or Wikimedians think of themselves as being progressive and modern. Our wikis are a tribute to science and enlightenment. Spontaneity and a laissez-faire-attitude are held in high regard; "productive chaos" and "anarchy" are typical for wikis.

When I had a closer look at our values and ideas, I got the impression that the opposite is true. Many attitudes and ideals sound to me more like bureaucracy and traditionalism:

• being thorough, with regard to content and writing about it
• community spirit
• treating everyone equally without regard of the person (the highest ideal

of the Prussian civil servant)

• individual initiative
• reliability

What do you think? Is this just my personal or national background, or has Wikipedia been build up on a different basis than we usually tell ourselves and others?

Kind regards Ziko _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe