Hoi, One of the admins of the Dutch wikipedia did visit the International Institute of Social History (Internationaal Instituut voor Sociale Geschiedenis - http://www.iisg.nl/ ) in Amsterdam today. This was to discuss to what extend we can cooperate. The collection of the IISG is of an international importance and it would be great if we could find a way to cooperate. There will be several issues that will need to be resolved before this actually happens. One thing that is of importance to IISG is that the material that they make available, will get a much improved exposure to the exposure that it gets through their own website. There are several ways in which we can improve exposure; using the material in our Wikipedia and other projects is one and localising the the Meta data is another way of making this happen. Even when we have done the things that improve the exposure, it is important that we are able to quantify the usage material has.
As far as I am aware we do not keep tabs on the usage of individual articles let alone individual pictures. It would however be important for us to be able to do this when it helps us to gain the trust from organisations like the IISG . My question therefore is; can we do this and, are we happy to do this if it helps us prove our added value to organisations like the IISG that are looking for more exposure of their content.
NB I have been asked to ask this question. Personally I have not been involved in any contact with the IISG. This is a follow-up of the Koninklijke Bibliotheek contacts.
Thanks, GerardM
On 9/1/05, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
resolved before this actually happens. One thing that is of importance to IISG is that the material that they make available, will get a much improved exposure to the exposure that it gets through their own website. There are several ways in which we can improve exposure; using the material in our Wikipedia and other projects is one and localising the the Meta data is another way of making this happen. Even when we have done the things that improve the exposure, it is important that we are able to quantify the usage material has.
I don't like any conditions other than GFDL/GFDL-compatible licensing. The content is the content on Wikipedia no matter where it came from, and I don't think they should receive any special treatment. Additionally, what do we do about reuse? What if we can't turn on counters due to performance reasons? I don't like shackles added to the foundation, even if they're made out of paper.
Dori
Dori wrote:
On 9/1/05, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijssen@gmail.com wrote:
resolved before this actually happens. One thing that is of importance to IISG is that the material that they make available, will get a much improved exposure to the exposure that it gets through their own website. There are several ways in which we can improve exposure; using the material in our Wikipedia and other projects is one and localising the the Meta data is another way of making this happen. Even when we have done the things that improve the exposure, it is important that we are able to quantify the usage material has.
I don't like any conditions other than GFDL/GFDL-compatible licensing. The content is the content on Wikipedia no matter where it came from, and I don't think they should receive any special treatment. Additionally, what do we do about reuse? What if we can't turn on counters due to performance reasons? I don't like shackles added to the foundation, even if they're made out of paper.
Dori
Hoi, First of all /I/ have not said a word about licensing. I am asking about proving the obvious to an organisation that does not know us; we are able to give important material a lot of exposure. Second, content is the content made available by the Wikimedia Foundation never mind if it is used in Wikipedia or any other project. Third, why do you think that an organisation like IISG should not receive any special treatment ? Did you have a look at the material that they are the custodian off ? Fourth, when material is made available under a license that is compatible with what we do, reuse is part and parcel of that license. Fifth, if we cannot even /discuss /the possibility of having counters on a yet undetermined number of pictures, what does that make us ?? Sixth, if we prove to an organisation like IISG that we add value by giving their content more relevance we do research in our own function. This is something that the research network would also be interested in.
I also want you to remember what the aim of the Wikimedia Foundation is; it is to bring free knowledge to every person in the world. The IISG is an acclaimed institution in their field. They can truly help us in our goal.
Thanks, GerardM
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