Says Michael Snow:
The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees urges the global Wikimedia community to uphold and strengthen our commitment to high-quality, accurate information
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So, the "community" is urged to do this work at the request of the Board, but the Board itself is going to do virtually nothing (other than this collection of words that urges the community to work harder) to strengthen the commitment to high-quality, accurate information.
How many Board members were in attendance in Berlin, and what was the mean travel distance of the Board attendees for this excursion?
2009/4/22 Gregory Kohs thekohser@gmail.com:
Says Michael Snow:
The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees urges the global Wikimedia community to uphold and strengthen our commitment to high-quality, accurate information
++++++
So, the "community" is urged to do this work at the request of the Board, but the Board itself is going to do virtually nothing (other than this collection of words that urges the community to work harder) to strengthen the commitment to high-quality, accurate information.
Basically, yes. Content has always been the responsibility of the community.
How many Board members were in attendance in Berlin, and what was the mean travel distance of the Board attendees for this excursion?
This was far from the only thing they did while in Berlin. Their schedule was even more crowded than that of the Chapters' representatives, and I found the chapters meeting the most exhausting thing I've ever done.
Am I on moderation?
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Gregory Kohs thekohser@gmail.com wrote:
Says Michael Snow:
The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees urges the global Wikimedia community to uphold and strengthen our commitment to high-quality, accurate information
++++++
So, the "community" is urged to do this work at the request of the Board, but the Board itself is going to do virtually nothing (other than this collection of words that urges the community to work harder) to strengthen the commitment to high-quality, accurate information.
How many Board members were in attendance in Berlin, and what was the mean travel distance of the Board attendees for this excursion?
-- Gregory Kohs
2009/4/22 Gregory Kohs thekohser@gmail.com:
Am I on moderation?
Not that I can see. Your previous email came through OK. However, note that even if you tell it to, Gmail will *not* show you a copy of messages you sent to a list. This is, apparently, for your comfort and convenience.
If you're not sure if a message made it through, checking the archive page is useful (though it doesn't update instantly and can sometimes have a delay of hours).
- d.
On 4/22/09, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Gmail will *not* show you a copy of messages you sent to a list. This is, apparently, for your comfort and convenience.
I have never noticed this one before... my messages always appear!
Regards,
Paul Williams
2009/4/23 Paul Williams paul@skenmy.com:
On 4/22/09, David Gerard dgerard@gmail.com wrote:
Gmail will *not* show you a copy of messages you sent to a list. This is, apparently, for your comfort and convenience.
I have never noticed this one before... my messages always appear!
Yeah, they're showing you the copy you sent - not the copy as received back from the server. There's a FAQ about this.
- d.
Hi!
Sorry for late answer - I visited the offline world (it had awesome mountains with snowcaps, sky-blue oceans and tulip fields ;-)
So, the "community" is urged to do this work at the request of the Board, but the Board itself is going to do virtually nothing (other than this collection of words that urges the community to work harder) to strengthen the commitment to high-quality, accurate information.
Do note, exercising any kind of authority over community is very strong step. Board does not rule the community, we work on facilitating the community.
How many Board members were in attendance in Berlin, and what was the mean travel distance of the Board attendees for this excursion?
I have difficulty seeing why this question is important, but can sure answer it, just let me clarify a bit.
excursion |ɪkˈskəːʃ(ə)n| |ɛk-|noun 1 a short journey or trip, esp. one engaged in as a leisure activity
I really cannot classify any of board meetings as 'leisure' - they're usually quite intense days (don't forget the jetlag our global commitments bring in :) In this particular trip the agenda was combined with chapters meeting agenda, tech team meetings, also meeting local communities. I cannot call it leisure, it is way more intense than my day job (oh, and vacation time is used ;-)
By using such words you seem to be antagonizing the organization and the work that is being done, and therefore either you're a troll, or you just genuinely do not understand the work everyone around is doing, and see just your own agenda.
Anyway, back to the Berlin meeting. Average travel distance for board members was (pardon the metric) ~5000km (for three members it was below 1000km) - and whole board was attending the meeting. Sometimes meetings involve meeting quite some staff, as their feedback is extremely valuable in certain topics too, so usually meetings happen in SF. In this case, as I mentioned above, nearly (over?) 100 community members were met overall - so if we'd include that, the mean travel distance would be way way lower - and the value of the meeting was extremely high.
I hope this satisfies your curiosity, and also I hope next time you'll be more polite and careful picking your words. Thanks! :)
BR,
2009/4/30 Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.com:
In this case, as I mentioned above, nearly (over?) 100 community members were met overall - so if we'd include that, the mean travel distance would be way way lower - and the value of the meeting was extremely high.
I believe there were about 50 chapters people about about 100 devs. I'm not sure why the mean travel distance would be lower if you include everyone - there were people from all around the world there, many having travelled further than the average board member.
Thomas,
I believe there were about 50 chapters people about about 100 devs. I'm not sure why the mean travel distance would be lower if you include everyone - there were people from all around the world there, many having travelled further than the average board member.
Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this "excursion".
Cheers,
2009/4/30 Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.com:
Thomas,
I believe there were about 50 chapters people about about 100 devs. I'm not sure why the mean travel distance would be lower if you include everyone - there were people from all around the world there, many having travelled further than the average board member.
Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this "excursion".
Every single chapter was represented by at least one person - I was extremely impressed by that.
I agree that the turnout was impressive, and I was also impressed that many of the wealthier chapters helped to fund travel for the less-wealthy.
I was also amazed by the volunteer devs, many of whom travelled long distances on their own dime (e.g., Aude, and many others). I've spoken with Brion, and if it would help the devs to have some form of subsidy for their travel, or some form of other support, the Wikimedia Foundation would be happy to help next year.
It was all really great :-) Sue
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2009/4/30 Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.com:
Thomas,
I believe there were about 50 chapters people about about 100 devs. I'm not sure why the mean travel distance would be lower if you include everyone - there were people from all around the world there, many having travelled further than the average board member.
Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this "excursion".
Every single chapter was represented by at least one person - I was extremely impressed by that.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Sue Gardner susanpgardner@gmail.com wrote:
I agree that the turnout was impressive, and I was also impressed that many of the wealthier chapters helped to fund travel for the less-wealthy.
I was also amazed by the volunteer devs, many of whom travelled long distances on their own dime (e.g., Aude, and many others). I've spoken with Brion, and if it would help the devs to have some form of subsidy for their travel, or some form of other support, the Wikimedia Foundation would be happy to help next year.
I would like to support this too. Devs like Aude can be be a real asset in jumpstarting chapters activities as well, as she has shown with her great organizing work in Washington DC.
Thanks, Pharos
It was all really great :-) Sue
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2009/4/30 Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.com:
Thomas,
I believe there were about 50 chapters people about about 100 devs. I'm not sure why the mean travel distance would be lower if you include everyone - there were people from all around the world there, many having travelled further than the average board member.
Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this "excursion".
Every single chapter was represented by at least one person - I was extremely impressed by that.
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On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.comwrote:
Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this "excursion".
But yet you can't classify it as "leisure"?
Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.comwrote:
Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this "excursion".
But yet you can't classify it as "leisure"?
It may not be for the board members, but I imagine for the volunteer developers and other community members who had few or no real commitments it was.
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Alex mrzmanwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.comwrote:
Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this "excursion".
But yet you can't classify it as "leisure"?
It may not be for the board members, but I imagine for the volunteer developers and other community members who had few or no real commitments it was.
I'm not sure why you regard the commitments a chapter board member has towards his/her chapter as less real or less serious than the commitments a WMF board member or staff employee has towards the WMF. Really, this was not a wiki-meetup...
Michael
Michael Bimmler wrote:
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Alex mrzmanwiki@gmail.com wrote:
Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.comwrote:
Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this "excursion".
But yet you can't classify it as "leisure"?
It may not be for the board members, but I imagine for the volunteer developers and other community members who had few or no real commitments it was.
I'm not sure why you regard the commitments a chapter board member has towards his/her chapter as less real or less serious than the commitments a WMF board member or staff employee has towards the WMF. Really, this was not a wiki-meetup...
I'm not sure why you feel the need to read more into my comment than was there. It was a short comment, so I thought a short reply would be adequate. My apologies for not researching and specifically mentioning every group that was at the event.
2009/4/30 Alex mrzmanwiki@gmail.com:
Anthony wrote:
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 1:10 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.lists@gmail.comwrote:
Actually, I'd be happy if you were right (and you probably are!) - it shows, that lots of people had the motivation to come to this "excursion".
But yet you can't classify it as "leisure"?
It may not be for the board members, but I imagine for the volunteer developers and other community members who had few or no real commitments it was.
Without any hyperbole, I can tell you I have never in my life been as exhausted as I was when I got home from Berlin. It was fascinating, enjoyable, productive, worthwhile, interesting and all kinds of other positive adjectives, but leisurely, it was not!
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