Today, I have been blocked for half a year on ru.wikiversity by an admin, SergeyJ
http://ru.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D...
despite the fact that I have never edited Russian Wikiversity.
Is this a normal practice? I remember the story of Russian Wikisource, when an admin, Ramir, has been speedily desysopped by stewards for blocking users arbitrarily. But at least these users made some edits. I am not sure what should I do now since my SUL shows a block in one of the projects.
Note that SergeyJ has been placed by the Arbitration Committee of Russian Wikipedia under editing limitations for gross violations. I am currently serving as a member of Arbitration Committee (I was not involved in the decision on his editing limitations).
Cheers Yaroslav
On Sun, 22 Aug 2010 02:00:28 +0400, "Yaroslav M. Blanter" putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
Today, I have been blocked for half a year on ru.wikiversity by an
admin,
SergeyJ
http://ru.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D...
despite the fact that I have never edited Russian Wikiversity.
Apparently, he also arbitrarily blocked (indefinitely) User:Wind, a ru.wp bureaucrat, who also has zero edit count in ru.wv
PS I have suspended my participation in all WMF projects and activities until the issue has been resolved.
PPS Sorry for a big number of typos in my previous message, apparently I was in too much hurry.
Cheers Yaroslav
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
PS I have suspended my participation in all WMF projects and activities until the issue has been resolved.
Are you blackmailing us? It's no use.
--vvv
It sounds, on the surface, like retaliation simply as a result of your association with those who this person feels has wronged him. Try to request an unblock locally and hopefully an administrator without a conflict of interest will intervene.
- Adrignola
On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ruwrote:
Today, I have been blocked for half a year on ru.wikiversity by an admin, SergeyJ
Note that SergeyJ has been placed by the Arbitration Committee of Russian Wikipedia under editing limitations for gross violations. I am currently serving as a member of Arbitration Committee (I was not involved in the decision on his editing limitations).
aaron.adrignola@gmail.com wrote:
It sounds, on the surface, like retaliation simply as a result of your association with those who this person feels has wronged him. Try to request an unblock locally and hopefully an administrator without a conflict of interest will intervene.
- Adrignola
The guy was unhappy with some of the comments I made in a blog about Russian Wikiversity. There are only two administrators over there, I will now write the second one though I do not expect much.
Cheers Yaroslav
There's not so many admins on ru.wikiversity (http://ru.wikiversity.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0...). So, I don't believe this will work.
This is a common problem of new small projects without healthy communities.
saying you suspend all your work untill this is resolved will not help, this is a community matter not a foundation matter.
I agree with Huib: it's no foundation matter unless you've been blocked in relation to foundation matters (like CentralNotice, enforcing Foundation policy etc.)
Yaroslav, I think I can understand you are unhappy and somehow upset, but please give your consideration to that what matters if you are blocked from the wiki you haven't edited yet and have no further plan to participate? Actually from nothing you've been hindered, in particular participating into foundation matters. Keep your good editing in other projects you have been active, no worried and boldly.
Cheers,
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:47 AM, Huib Laurens sterkebak@gmail.com wrote:
saying you suspend all your work untill this is resolved will not help, this is a community matter not a foundation matter.
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On Sat, Aug 21, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
Is this a normal practice? I remember the story of Russian Wikisource,
It was actually Russian Wikibooks.
when an admin, Ramir, has been speedily desysopped by stewards for blocking users arbitrarily.
He removed Foundation banners from site, made an edit war with stewards on its removal, insulted several stewards and Foundation as a whole. His desysop was not only because of his blocks.
--vvv
On 22 August 2010 00:06, Victor Vasiliev vasilvv@gmail.com wrote:
He removed Foundation banners from site, made an edit war with stewards on its removal, insulted several stewards and Foundation as a whole. His desysop was not only because of his blocks.
[snip]
Are you blackmailing us? It's no use.
Do you have any opinion on the matter that is actually at hand?
AGK
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 00:00, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
Today, I have been blocked for half a year on ru.wikiversity by an admin, SergeyJ
http://ru.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D...
despite the fact that I have never edited Russian Wikiversity.
Is this a normal practice? I remember the story of Russian Wikisource, when an admin, Ramir, has been speedily desysopped by stewards for blocking users arbitrarily. But at least these users made some edits. I am not sure what should I do now since my SUL shows a block in one of the projects.
Note that SergeyJ has been placed by the Arbitration Committee of Russian Wikipedia under editing limitations for gross violations. I am currently serving as a member of Arbitration Committee (I was not involved in the decision on his editing limitations).
Yaroslav, the first instance for cases like this one are stewards: IRC channel or anyone of us personally. There is no need for raising this here. Actually, the only sense for raising such issue here is if you are not content with stewards' action.
If there won't be solution this evening, I'll take care about it tomorrow.
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter putevod@mccme.ru wrote:
Today, I have been blocked for half a year on ru.wikiversity by an admin, SergeyJ
http://ru.wikiversity.org/w/index.php?title=%D0%9E%D0%B1%D1%81%D1%83%D0%B6%D...
despite the fact that I have never edited Russian Wikiversity.
You do have several contribs on Russian Wikiversity; were those edits imported?
http://ru.wikiversity.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0...
Is this a normal practice? I remember the story of Russian Wikisource, when an admin, Ramir, has been speedily desysopped by stewards for blocking users arbitrarily. But at least these users made some edits. I am not sure what should I do now since my SUL shows a block in one of the projects.
I think that was Russian Wikibooks.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Ramir_on_Russian_Wikiboo...
Note that SergeyJ has been placed by the Arbitration Committee of Russian Wikipedia under editing limitations for gross violations. I am currently serving as a member of Arbitration Committee (I was not involved in the decision on his editing limitations).
You should request an unblock review on your ru.wv talk page, and if that doesn't work, start a meta request for comments.
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/RFC
-- John Vandenberg
Forwarded to the list on behalf of a non-member (Mstislavl).
----
In reality the "Border Control Philosophy" has nothing to do with criticism of the project or administration. This is a Rissian version of what Jimbo said after blocking some trolls in the English Wikiversity:
Strong community does not come from an «anything goes» attitude — but from rallying around a set of principles that define the mission in such a way that productive work can be accomplished.
And the Russian Wikiversity Story is indeed a replica but a replica of English Wikiversity's one. People who can not effectively push their agenda in Wikipedia because of the strong community there migrate to the Wikiveristy where they can do whatever they want and the big part of that is attacking admins on Wikipedia. Sergey J who blocked Yaroslav also issued a number of arbitrary warnings to the active Russian Wikipedia contributors (not all of tehm admins) for their actions in Wikipedia, and they have no idea about these.
This is clearly a cross-project issue because the same trolls pop up on meta and in a thousand of other places wasting everybody's time.
Victoria (Mstislavl)
You do have several contribs on Russian Wikiversity; were those edits imported?
http://ru.wikiversity.org/wiki/%D0%A1%D0%BB%D1%83%D0%B6%D0%B5%D0%B1%D0%BD%D0...
They must have been imported. One of the edits is an article protection; I am pretty sure I have never been a sysop in Russian Wikiversity.
Anyway, I have been unblocked yesterday, thanks to Milos. Still, I do not find the situation when I can be arbitrarily blocked on a WMF project I have never contributed to healthy.
Cheers Yaroslav
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