All,
*TL;DR*: Communities using Flow are invited to fill out a survey about what they want to see from Flow,[Y]. It is administered by a third-party service. It will not require an e-mail or your username. See our privacy statement.[Z]
We in the Collaboration Team have currently paused major development of Flow. We continue to maintain it, fixing urgent bugs and adding minor features, but we're not planning to put large-scale efforts into improving it further in the current fiscal year (until June 2017). Flow is currently enabled on ten wikis as a beta feature, which allows intrepid users to convert their user talk page to Flow.[X] Some other communities are trying it in various ways. We plan to support these communities in the future, and we need their input to build a strategy.
This survey is so that you can help us make decisions about the way forward in this area by sharing your thoughts about Flow — what works, what doesn't, and what should be improved? We remain interested in the structured discussions that the Flow project provides, and have a list of five big areas we think are most needed (based on community requests and user feedback) to make it more useful: searching, categorising, moving, watching activity, and dealing with history.
This survey will help us to prioritise future development of Flow. However, there are lots of other things on which we could instead work, and we hope that through this survey we will identify the key areas for everyone so that it is as useful as possible for those that wish to use it.
There are some areas in which Flow is currently weak for some use cases, and we don't advocate its active use by wikis which lack the expertise on how to use it. Because of this, we're not actively looking for further wikis to get the beta feature at this time, but if your wiki wants it, you can request it on this page.[X]
Please fill out the survey,[Y] which is administered by a third-party service. It will not require an e-mail or your username. See our privacy statement.[Z]
Thank you!
[X] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow/Request_Flow_on_a_page/Beta_feature
[Y] https://wikimedia.qualtrics.com/jfe/form/SV_cHm4YCZ4AaoAOr3 [Z] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Survey_Privacy_Statement_for_Spring_201...
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, James Forrester jforrester@wikimedia.org wrote:
All,
*TL;DR*: Communities using Flow are invited to fill out a survey about what they want to see from Flow,
From this web page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow#Development_status
"Starting in October 2015, Flow is not in active development."
There have been many questions asked in various venues over the last year about whether Flow is alive or dead, and what its future looks like. James, perhaps you could take a moment to address that fundamental question?
It's quite odd to have a survey published about something that's been declared defunct (albeit unconvincingly).
-Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]]
It seems to me obvious that the survey is designed specifically to get enough data to decide on the future status of Flow development? I'd expect that the answer to "whether Flow is alive or dead" will be very much contingent on the survey itself.
On 2016-09-06 02:32 PM, Pete Forsyth wrote:
It's quite odd to have a survey published about something that's been declared defunct (albeit unconvincingly).
-- Marc
On 6 September 2016 at 11:32, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
There have been many questions asked in various venues over the last year about whether Flow is alive or dead, and what its future looks like. James, perhaps you could take a moment to address that fundamental question?
I believe James answered you in his email:
"We in the Collaboration Team have currently paused major development of Flow. We continue to maintain it, fixing urgent bugs and adding minor features, but we're not planning to put large-scale efforts into improving it further in the current fiscal year (until June 2017)... This survey will help us to prioritise future development of Flow."
Thanks, Dan
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, James Forrester <jforrester@wikimedia.org
wrote:
All,
*TL;DR*: Communities using Flow are invited to fill out a survey about
what
they want to see from Flow,
From this web page: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Flow#Development_status
"Starting in October 2015, Flow is not in active development."
There have been many questions asked in various venues over the last year about whether Flow is alive or dead, and what its future looks like. James, perhaps you could take a moment to address that fundamental question?
Thanks for pointing out that the page might be confusing, I've updated it quoting James' email: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Flow&diff=prev&oldid=223...
Benoît
It's quite odd to have a survey published about something that's been declared defunct (albeit unconvincingly).
-Pete [[User:Peteforsyth]] _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
For those filling out the survey, read the answer prompts carefully! I only barely noticed that one section had "useful" on the right, while the next section had "agree" on the left. My brain was expecting both to be on one side or the other, so I had answered part of the second section incorrectly before realizing that I was actually giving answers that were the opposite of my intent.
Kevin Smith Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 8:17 AM, Benoît Evellin (Trizek) < bevellin@wikimedia.org> wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Pete Forsyth peteforsyth@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:19 AM, James Forrester <
jforrester@wikimedia.org
wrote:
All,
*TL;DR*: Communities using Flow are invited to fill out a survey about
what
they want to see from Flow,
From this web page: https://www.mediawiki.org/
wiki/Flow#Development_status
"Starting in October 2015, Flow is not in active development."
There have been many questions asked in various venues over the last year about whether Flow is alive or dead, and what its future looks like.
James,
perhaps you could take a moment to address that fundamental question?
Thanks for pointing out that the page might be confusing, I've updated it quoting James' email: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Flow&diff=prev&oldid=223...
Benoît
It's quite odd to have a survey published about something that's been declared defunct (albeit unconvincingly).
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