Dear Foundation! I would like to ask the Foundation, is it intentional that http://wikisource.com doesn't redirect to http://wikisource.org the same way wikipedia.com and wiktionary.com does? Also I would like to know why doesn't the "Wiki does not exist" page at wikisource.com suggest the project Wikisource, and why is Wiktionary so prominently featured? I hope this is just a mistake, and my letter helps correct it. Regards, Bence Damokos
I would like to ask the Foundation, is it intentional that http://wikisource.com doesn't redirect to http://wikisource.org the same way wikipedia.com and wiktionary.com does? Also I would like to know why doesn't the "Wiki does not exist" page at wikisource.com suggest the project Wikisource, and why is Wiktionary so prominently featured? I hope this is just a mistake, and my letter helps correct it. Regards, Bence Damokos
www.wikisource.com correctly redirects, as does en.wikisource.com, it's just when there is nothing before "wikisource" that it fails. Probably just missed a line in a config file somewhere.
Bence Damokos wrote:
Dear Foundation! I would like to ask the Foundation, is it intentional that http://wikisource.com doesn't redirect to http://wikisource.org the same way wikipedia.com and wiktionary.com does? Also I would like to know why doesn't the "Wiki does not exist" page at wikisource.com suggest the project Wikisource, and why is Wiktionary so prominently featured? I hope this is just a mistake, and my letter helps correct it. Regards, Bence Damokos
I would like to add that http://wikijunior.org does not currently work either, although in the past it automatically redirected to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior
I'm not sure if somebody forgot to pay the bill for the domain, or if this is merely an oversight where some configurations were changed in the Wikimedia domain server and these records were wiped out.
If this needs to go to Bugzilla, I'll do that too.
-- Robert Horning
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Robert Horning wrote:
I would like to add that http://wikijunior.org does not currently work either, although in the past it automatically redirected to http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikijunior
I'm not sure if somebody forgot to pay the bill for the domain, or if this is merely an oversight where some configurations were changed in the Wikimedia domain server and these records were wiped out.
It looks like the domain got transferred to our servers at some point, but was never configured on our end. I've set up the DNS and redirecting, so it should now work again.
- -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)
BTW: Who will take care of the domains now Brad resigns?
On 24/03/07, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
BTW: Who will take care of the domains now Brad resigns?
Domain names? I thought that was already Brion's job.
- d.
David Gerard wrote:
On 24/03/07, Platonides Platonides@gmail.com wrote:
BTW: Who will take care of the domains now Brad resigns?
Domain names? I thought that was already Brion's job.
- d
In the past Jimbo was the "designated agent" for domain names in terms of who was listed as the primary administrative contact.
Brion is clearly the "technical contact", and he is the one that deals with the server side in terms of which IP addresses and other issues about the domains and sub-domains are concerned, but in terms of being legally responsible for paying the bills and making sure the legal aspects of keeping and maintaining the domain names (and fighting off challenges to those who might claim the domains through legal action), that was clearly Brad's area of expertise.
Currently "wikipedia.org" lists Brad as both the administrative contact as well as the technical contact. See http://who.godaddy.com/WhoIs.aspx?domain=wikipedia.org&prog_id=godaddy for some details.
Once a replacement for Brad happens, this is something that should be dealt with. I think Brion ought to be listed as the technical contact, (mainly for situations like this), but that is something left to the WMF board to decide. The "real" person who owns the domain is the person listed as the administrative contact. In theory Brad could really screw over the foundation here if he wanted, even though I seriously doubt he is that kind of person to take advantage of this situation, not to mention it would ruin is reputation as an attorney.
-- Robert Horning
Platonides wrote:
BTW: Who will take care of the domains now Brad resigns?
Reality check guys.
Domain names management are not under the responsability of the General Counsel, but under the responsability of the ED. So, your question is good, but outdated. Brad stopped being the ED in january. We are in march. The question should have been asked in february :-)
Practically speaking, check out this resolution
http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution_Domain_names_workgroup
This resolution was made in november. I am actually not sure what its current members exactly are, though I can cite Mark Bergsma and Delphine Menard with certainty.
Unless I am wrong, the person taking care of this on the technical side is Mark. The person in charge of paying the bills is Carolyn, our COO. I agree the legal challenges were in Brad's expertise (he recently got involved in the wikipedia.it issue). Finally, in terms of godaddy contact, what matters is not the name of the person, but that the contact is possible. As such, you can check and the email address provided is not Brad's address, but a generic address dns-admin@wikimedia.org.
In short, I can not promise everything is already taken care of, but domain names is taken care of.
anthere
Florence Devouard wrote:
Platonides wrote:
BTW: Who will take care of the domains now Brad resigns?
Reality check guys.
<*snip*>
anthere
Considering that the announcement of Brad's resignation just occured, it shouldn't be surprising that this is one issue that has just come up. And while I am not questioning Brad's integrity here, I am pointing out that a less than honorable person could take advantage of the situation and move the domains to some other server farm and do all sorts of other damage. This is precisely why the "administrative contact" person should be somebody with absolutely stellar integrity and has the full faith and trust of not only the board but the entire community, and why I believe this to be a very valid question.
While in the long run any such usurption of the WMF domains would eventually come back under the control of the WMF, it would be a very miserable several months if somebody were to mess things up in this way. Considering the way vandals try to mess up our projects, this would be the ultimate vandalism ploy if this domain registration was messed up. It could be far more damaging than a rogue admin or even steward.
I have no doubt that at the moment the WMF has this issue under control, and that certainly any formalities that would also involve Brad would be done as a matter of courtesy as well.
-- Robert Horning.
On 3/24/07, Robert Horning robert_horning@netzero.net wrote:
Considering that the announcement of Brad's resignation just occured, it shouldn't be surprising that this is one issue that has just come up. And while I am not questioning Brad's integrity here, I am pointing out that a less than honorable person could take advantage of the situation and move the domains to some other server farm and do all sorts of other damage.
I suppose so, but besides such an incident eventually being corrected (and I suspect it'd be days or hours, not months), whoever did such destruction would probably spend time in jail as a result (criminal breach of fiduciary duty).
The owner of the domains, I assume, is the corporation. The admin contact has authority to do pretty much anything, but in the case of a dispute the owner of the domain can override the authority of the admin contact.
So, I dunno, the level of concern over this matter seems overkill. I'd personally see no problem with any employee of the WMF or any board member being the admin contact. Some kind of joint contact situation (both people have to turn the key at the same time) would be preferable, I guess, but AFAIK it's not possible.
Anthony
Robert Horning wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
Platonides wrote:
BTW: Who will take care of the domains now Brad resigns?
Reality check guys.
<*snip*>
anthere
Considering that the announcement of Brad's resignation just occured, it shouldn't be surprising that this is one issue that has just come up. And while I am not questioning Brad's integrity here, I am pointing out that a less than honorable person could take advantage of the situation and move the domains to some other server farm and do all sorts of other damage. This is precisely why the "administrative contact" person should be somebody with absolutely stellar integrity and has the full faith and trust of not only the board but the entire community, and why I believe this to be a very valid question.
Whilst I have no worry at all about Brad integrity on this, my concern was rather that for privacy reasons, I felt not confortable with us having to read Brad mails to be able to follow up, in particular automated systems such as registrations of domain names or trademarks. It feels best to sometimes use generic email addresses, so that any employee can follow up, and the address can be easily redirected to another employee in case of cease of activity, holidays, illness, or whatever.
This is also the interest of using a press at wikimedia.org rather than sandy email. Better scaling and no pit when the person is not available.
ant
While in the long run any such usurption of the WMF domains would eventually come back under the control of the WMF, it would be a very miserable several months if somebody were to mess things up in this way. Considering the way vandals try to mess up our projects, this would be the ultimate vandalism ploy if this domain registration was messed up. It could be far more damaging than a rogue admin or even steward.
I have no doubt that at the moment the WMF has this issue under control, and that certainly any formalities that would also involve Brad would be done as a matter of courtesy as well.
-- Robert Horning.
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As this thread demonstrates, and various poster's comments show, it is important that *whoever* is in control at a given moment in time does in fact have control. A corporation always acts through its officers and agents. WMF is no different.
WMF has brilliant technical staff, as you all know. Additionally, Delphine (who has some technical knowledge of her own) has taken an interest in working on these problems and has been for some time.
There is nothing to fear on the part of Foundation's ownership of domains. Challenges exist, and a huge some of money could be spent to buy more, of course.
Florence Devouard wrote:
Robert Horning wrote:
Florence Devouard wrote:
Platonides wrote:
BTW: Who will take care of the domains now Brad resigns?
Reality check guys.
<*snip*>
anthere
Considering that the announcement of Brad's resignation just occured, it shouldn't be surprising that this is one issue that has just come up. And while I am not questioning Brad's integrity here, I am pointing out that a less than honorable person could take advantage of the situation and move the domains to some other server farm and do all sorts of other damage. This is precisely why the "administrative contact" person should be somebody with absolutely stellar integrity and has the full faith and trust of not only the board but the entire community, and why I believe this to be a very valid question.
Whilst I have no worry at all about Brad integrity on this, my concern was rather that for privacy reasons, I felt not confortable with us having to read Brad mails to be able to follow up, in particular automated systems such as registrations of domain names or trademarks. It feels best to sometimes use generic email addresses, so that any employee can follow up, and the address can be easily redirected to another employee in case of cease of activity, holidays, illness, or whatever.
This is also the interest of using a press at wikimedia.org rather than sandy email. Better scaling and no pit when the person is not available.
ant
While in the long run any such usurption of the WMF domains would eventually come back under the control of the WMF, it would be a very miserable several months if somebody were to mess things up in this way. Considering the way vandals try to mess up our projects, this would be the ultimate vandalism ploy if this domain registration was messed up. It could be far more damaging than a rogue admin or even steward.
I have no doubt that at the moment the WMF has this issue under control, and that certainly any formalities that would also involve Brad would be done as a matter of courtesy as well.
-- Robert Horning.
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Bence Damokos wrote:
Dear Foundation! I would like to ask the Foundation, is it intentional that http://wikisource.com doesn't redirect to http://wikisource.org the same way wikipedia.com and wiktionary.com does?
An oversight in configuration, it's fixed.
- -- brion vibber (brion @ wikimedia.org)
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