Hello,
We wanted to have a more informal forum for discussing Wikimedia issues with Board members, so the three new Wikimedia Trustees (Arne, Matt, and myself) are hosting an open meeting on IRC in #wikimedia this Friday.
Where : #wikimedia When : Friday September 11, 1800-1900 UTC (11:00-12:00 PST / 14:00-15:00EST / 20:00-21:00CEST)
Other Board members will hopefully be there as well; we picked a time when we knew all of the new members could attend. Please join with any thoughts or questions you have for the Board or about Wikimedia in general. If you'd like to see something on the agenda, whether or not you can attend in person, please add it here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_meetings#September_open_meetin...
Since we only have an hour, we will try to keep to the agenda. New topics brought up after noon UTC the day of the meeting will be addressed on-wiki if we run out of time.
I'm looking for someone to help moderate the chat. If interested, please reply offlist. Thanks!
SJ
On 8 Sep 2009, at 18:46, Samuel J Klein wrote:
Hello,
We wanted to have a more informal forum for discussing Wikimedia issues with Board members, so the three new Wikimedia Trustees (Arne, Matt, and myself) are hosting an open meeting on IRC in #wikimedia this Friday.
Where : #wikimedia When : Friday September 11, 1800-1900 UTC (11:00-12:00 PST / 14:00-15:00EST / 20:00-21:00CEST)
Other Board members will hopefully be there as well; we picked a time when we knew all of the new members could attend. Please join with any thoughts or questions you have for the Board or about Wikimedia in general. If you'd like to see something on the agenda, whether or not you can attend in person, please add it here:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ Talk:Wikimedia_meetings#September_open_meeting
Since we only have an hour, we will try to keep to the agenda. New topics brought up after noon UTC the day of the meeting will be addressed on-wiki if we run out of time.
I'm looking for someone to help moderate the chat. If interested, please reply offlist. Thanks!
SJ
Great idea! I hope that this is the first of many. I'd love to attend, but won't be able to at that time. Will logs/minutes of the meeting be made available after the event?
I've just added a question about transparency to the suggestion list - hope that's OK. I'd love to get the Board's views on cleaning up the WMF website (e.g. lots of material is still on meta!), but I'm not sure how well that would fit in.
Mike
Hello Mike,
Great idea! I hope that this is the first of many. I'd love to attend, but won't be able to at that time. Will logs/minutes of the meeting be made available after the event?
Yes, minutes will be available. I'm thinking of announcing in the channel before and after for people who don't want to be part of a logged chat; but if this is a problem for those attending we won't do it. Minutes will definitely be handy as a readable record.
Speaking of which, I'm also looking for someone to organize the minutes. [NB: you don't have to be present during the chat to do this.] Again, pls contact me off-list.
I've just added a question about transparency to the suggestion list
- hope that's OK. I'd love to get the Board's views on cleaning up
the WMF website (e.g. lots of material is still on meta!), but I'm not sure how well that would fit in.
Add whatever is on your mind. If the agenda gets too long we'll find a way to split it up. [I'd guess that style guide questions can probably be mentioned briefly and pointed to the right places to carry out a longer discussion/cleanup effort].
SJ
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Samuel J Kleinsj@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip]
Speaking of which, I'm also looking for someone to organize the minutes. [NB: you don't have to be present during the chat to do this.] Again, pls contact me off-list.
Doesn't the board have a role designated to take minutes at meetings?
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Samuel J Kleinsj@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip]
Speaking of which, I'm also looking for someone to organize the minutes. [NB: you don't have to be present during the chat to do this.] Again, pls contact me off-list.
Doesn't the board have a role designated to take minutes at meetings?
It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a chance to have a discussion with the new board members. As such, I'm not sure it's meaningful to have minutes, but as mentioned it will be an open meeting and I'd think there should be no objection to publishing the entire log. And if "minutes" is taken to mean simply a summary of the discussion, no doubt that would be welcome as well.
--Michael Snow
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snowwikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a chance to have a discussion with the new board members. As such, I'm not sure it's meaningful to have minutes, but as mentioned it will be an open meeting and I'd think there should be no objection to publishing the entire log. And if "minutes" is taken to mean simply a summary of the discussion, no doubt that would be welcome as well.
So, I just heard that this wasn't an official meeting after posting my message.
It seems pretty bizarre that the balance of the board first heard about this meeting in the public announcement. I hope this isn't how the Wikimedia Board of Trustees is going to conduct its business from now forward.
2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snowwikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a chance to have a discussion with the new board members. As such, I'm not sure it's meaningful to have minutes, but as mentioned it will be an open meeting and I'd think there should be no objection to publishing the entire log. And if "minutes" is taken to mean simply a summary of the discussion, no doubt that would be welcome as well.
So, I just heard that this wasn't an official meeting after posting my message.
It seems pretty bizarre that the balance of the board first heard about this meeting in the public announcement. I hope this isn't how the Wikimedia Board of Trustees is going to conduct its business from now forward.
The announcement makes it clear this is intended for the new board members introduce themselves to the community and have a chat with them, there is no real need for the rest of the board to have been involved in the planning. I don't see why you thought it was an actual board meeting.
Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snowwikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a chance to have a discussion with the new board members. As such, I'm not sure it's meaningful to have minutes, but as mentioned it will be an open meeting and I'd think there should be no objection to publishing the entire log. And if "minutes" is taken to mean simply a summary of the discussion, no doubt that would be welcome as well.
So, I just heard that this wasn't an official meeting after posting my message.
It seems pretty bizarre that the balance of the board first heard about this meeting in the public announcement. I hope this isn't how the Wikimedia Board of Trustees is going to conduct its business from now forward.
The announcement makes it clear this is intended for the new board members introduce themselves to the community and have a chat with them, there is no real need for the rest of the board to have been involved in the planning. I don't see why you thought it was an actual board meeting.
Perhaps the jargon of agendas and meetings and minutes added to the confusion. A different framework that might be more fitting is to think of it like the "office hours" that the strategic planning team is having, also on IRC. As it happens, I remember this concept being discussed briefly while we were in Buenos Aires, and I think it's a good initiative, but I didn't know when it was scheduled prior to the announcement. Nor do I consider that a concern, as I figure once you managed to find a mutually convenient time for Sj, Matt, and Arne, why hold things up any longer than necessary?
--Michael Snow
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Snowwikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snowwikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
The announcement makes it clear this is intended for the new board members introduce themselves to the community and have a chat with them, there is no real need for the rest of the board to have been involved in the planning. I don't see why you thought it was an actual board meeting.
Perhaps the jargon of agendas and meetings and minutes added to the confusion. A different framework that might be more fitting is to think of it like the "office hours" that the strategic planning team is
Yes, precisely. I always find 'office hours' a bit confusing in the same sense, when not used by a professor : whose office is it? and that feels less collaborative and more query-response than an open meeting. The reason for asking for community moderators and note-takers is to emphasize that this is an open meeting, with the agenda defined by the participants. Please feel welcome to change the language on the Wikimedia meetings page.
SJ
2009/9/9 Samuel Klein meta.sj@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Snowwikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
Thomas Dalton wrote:
2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell gmaxwell@gmail.com:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snowwikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
The announcement makes it clear this is intended for the new board members introduce themselves to the community and have a chat with them, there is no real need for the rest of the board to have been involved in the planning. I don't see why you thought it was an actual board meeting.
Perhaps the jargon of agendas and meetings and minutes added to the confusion. A different framework that might be more fitting is to think of it like the "office hours" that the strategic planning team is
Yes, precisely. I always find 'office hours' a bit confusing in the same sense, when not used by a professor : whose office is it? and that feels less collaborative and more query-response than an open meeting. The reason for asking for community moderators and note-takers is to emphasize that this is an open meeting, with the agenda defined by the participants. Please feel welcome to change the language on the Wikimedia meetings page.
How about "Open-door session"?
... I'd think there should be no objection to publishing the entire log. And if "minutes" is taken to mean simply a summary of the discussion, no doubt that would be welcome as well.
I do believe that if such objections will ever have place they should be processed with all due respect and attention but I hope that there will not be any because of following reasons:
* it's announced explicitly and clear in advance that it will be public event so somebody badly can demand protection of some private stuff; * [last but not least] non-native speakers do need log available to, say, after-reading (it's tough to be really on-line among native speakers and never miss something essential)
And yes, in this case "minutes" will be just summary (if references to log segments will be included it will be greatly helpful).
-- Pavlo Shevelo [SUL] Pavlo Shevelo On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Michael Snow wikipedia@verizon.net wrote:
Gregory Maxwell wrote:
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Samuel J Kleinsj@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip]
Speaking of which, I'm also looking for someone to organize the minutes. [NB: you don't have to be present during the chat to do this.] Again, pls contact me off-list.
Doesn't the board have a role designated to take minutes at meetings?
It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a chance to have a discussion with the new board members. As such, I'm not sure it's meaningful to have minutes, but as mentioned it will be an open meeting and I'd think there should be no objection to publishing the entire log. And if "minutes" is taken to mean simply a summary of the discussion, no doubt that would be welcome as well.
--Michael Snow
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