Re: [Foundation-l] Board-announcement: Board Restructuring

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Mike Godwin

28 Apr 2008 28 Apr '08

8:35 p.m.

Geoffrey writes:

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Mike, the new change has made it?so a majority is unelected.

The Bylaws don't require that a majority be elected. They require that a majority come from the community, as defined by the Board. In effect, the Board has now expanded the definition of "community" to include both the chapters and Jimmy. If Jimmy chooses to serve, the community seats dominate 6-4. If Jimmy leaves or is not reappointed, the community seats have a 5-to-4 majority. And, of course, it is entirely possible that community members may be appointed to the expertise spots, as someone else has pointed out. --Mike

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Anthony

28 Apr 28 Apr

10:11 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Board-announcement: Board Restructuring

On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Mike Godwin <mgodwin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

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Geoffrey writes:

Mike, the new change has made it?so a majority is unelected.

The Bylaws don't require that a majority be elected. They require that a majority come from the community, as defined by the Board.

In any case, the bylaws are being amended, right? Has the new wording been worked out? Is the part about "Trustees shall be staggered, so that the terms of fewer than one-half of the Trustees expire in each year", which is impossible to implement in the first place (you can't have two-year terms and have *fewer* than one-half of Trustees elected each year), going to be modified and/or eliminated? Is the community going to get to see the new bylaws before they're voted on?

Ray Saintonge

29 Apr 29 Apr

5:44 a.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Board-announcement: Board Restructuring

Anthony wrote:

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On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 8:35 PM, Mike Godwin <mgodwin(a)wikimedia.org> wrote:

Geoffrey writes:

Mike, the new change has made it?so a majority is unelected.

The Bylaws don't require that a majority be elected. They require that a majority come from the community, as defined by the Board.

I understand that the election process, as we know it, takes a lot of work, and that having elections for the three community members in alternate years would obviously ease that burden. Still we have the experience of Erik's resignation, which took place during the first year of a two-year term. In such circumstances there appears to be no means to fill that kind of vacancy for at least a whole year. Ec

Jimmy Wales

28 Apr 28 Apr

10:28 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Board-announcement: Board Restructuring

Mike Godwin wrote:

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And, of course, it is entirely possible that community members may be appointed to the expertise spots, as someone else has pointed out.

Indeed, I think the board is essentially unanimous (though I do not speak for anyone else of course) in desiring that if we can get specialized expertise *and* a community member for one of the appointed seats, all the better. We have 2 of those right now: for legal matters, Michael Snow. For technical matters, Domas. I would not expect that to materially change in the future, although with a 10 member board we now have "room" without affecting the community nature of the board materially to bring in a treasurer (like Stuart) and similar. --Jimbo

Aphaia

11:03 p.m.

New subject: [Foundation-l] Board-announcement: Board Restructuring

A bit OT ... On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 11:28 AM, Jimmy Wales <jwales(a)wikia.com> wrote:

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Mike Godwin wrote:

And, of course, it is entirely possible that community members may be appointed to the expertise spots, as someone else has pointed out.

I'm rather stumbling Stuart seems not to be considered by anyone as "coming from community". Anyone, including me (I simply don't know and perhaps it would be a large part of reasons: our contribution areas are not crossing over). But he edited at least since last October from the current account. A guy who has been editing regularly, even in a small number, cannot be yet recognized as a community member (while he himself hasn't insisted to be as such, though) - and what is then the community? In case ust editing is not qualified for belonging to it, what we mean with the word "editing community"? Not a criticism, I'm really stumbled. -- KIZU Naoko http://d.hatena.ne.jp/Britty (in Japanese) Quote of the Day (English): http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/WQ:QOTD

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